TA Ep. 157 Andrew DeGregorio – From Near-Death to New Life: Healing w/Cereset’s BrainEcho Technology

Leigh Ann: [00:00:00] All right. Well, Andrew, welcome to the Accrescent podcast. We were just talking off air about how I’m such a big fan of Cereset, so it’s really exciting for me to have kind of a guest expert on to break this modality, this technology down, but welcome.

Andrew DeGregorio: Yeah, thanks for having me. I’m, I’m excited to talk about as well. It’s, uh, I’m a fan of Sarasota as well. So it’s good to be here talking to you about it.

Leigh Ann: Yeah, and we’ll get into all the nitty gritty, you know, what is it, What information can it give us? How can it be impactful? Who’s it for? All these different things, but I always love an origin story I want to know how did you get into this world of Cereset? Was it like through your own kind of healing journey or was it just wow, I’ve learned about this I see how impactful it’s become. Give us the origin.

Andrew DeGregorio: So, so, uh, I probably get to start at the beginning of my healing journey. I won’t, I won’t go into all the details because that would take much longer than an hour. Many years ago, I had a near death experience. Uh, it was in the ocean surfing [00:01:00] and two guys collided and, um, I dove under the water, uh, cause I thought one of them might end up hitting me and they were a little bit it.

Further back in the distance. And when I dove in, I came up and I was looking at the beach and one of their boards. They didn’t have a leash on their board and it speared me in the back of the head,

Leigh Ann: Oh, wow

Andrew DeGregorio: up knocking me out and, uh, something jolted me up. I ended up kind of draping across my surfboard and a woman saw this and she came over and checked on me and she could see that I was barely conscious and she towed me to shore and saved my life.

Uh, ended up at the hospital and they did a scan and they found that I had three bleeds in my brain. And what happened is the brain, uh, bounced when the board hit me in the head, hit me so hard that the brain actually bounced, hit the front of my skull, back of my skull. I I Had two bleeds in the front, one in the back, and at the time it was a nightmare, but this turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to me.

It ended up creating an immense amount of suffering. I had post concussion syndrome and a wide variety of different symptoms that went along with [00:02:00] that that weren’t getting better. Western medicine was kind of failing me at the time and ended up Losing the job I was working at, I had to change my doctors, and it was just an immense amount of stress and pressure on me.

And after months of this, I had this kind of deeper calling in me that kind of came out of nowhere that was like, in order to heal. Like I needed to get to know myself and really odd because it was like this deep feeling of this and I was like, okay, so I started doing meditation work. I started going into, um, uh, different therapy work.

I received EMDR therapy, uh, met many healers and this journey led into this wild experience where I met this woman. And I had what people, people would call like a spiritual awakening. I didn’t, I wouldn’t call that that at the time. I had no idea, but I had, um, this experience where this energy shot up through my body in a session with this woman.

And it went up through the center of my body and exploded. And then I like, the best way to [00:03:00] describe it is like disappeared. And I felt love in my body. I felt everything everywhere. And I had like these kind of what I would describe as like insights or downloads that were coming into me of like, um, that were eternal beings.

And that nothing matters and everything matters and for 15 minutes I laughed with this lady and we just laughed and laughed and laughed and Later on I found out this was what people call. Um, I don’t know if you’ve ever heard kundalini awakening, but this was kundalini awakening and I’m not from a world of words like Kundalini.

I come from the East Coast. Uh, I don’t, I don’t know about spiritual awakenings. I didn’t know anything. So this changed my life in a drastic way. Ended up going on a whole new search for what happened to me in that experience. Uh, I got better as I went along and continued working with alternative healing modalities.

I went to a healing art school. And I’ve done, um, like 10 years at this school. Now, I’ve studied with attachment therapy work. I’ve worked with amazing therapists [00:04:00] mentoring me, uh, have amazing teachers. And I started a practice where I work with people in the healing world. And I’m, I’m a coach and healer.

And that’s what I do as my primary business. And how Cereset came about throughout this is many years later. Um, I had a healing crisis. Where I started to experience, um, Kind of like an autoimmune, kind of mystery chronic illness that was happening. I started becoming allergic to all foods. Uh, I was down to eating about two or three types of foods.

Uh, I was allergic to the sun, water, uh, like, and my skin. My skin would break out in hives. It started having burning. Throughout my skin all over my body. This was like daily. I would wake up feeling like I was dying I had no idea what was happening had like neuro inflammation. I had um, Insomnia was happening with that.

There was massive amounts of stress that was occurring. And this was going on for years. And I couldn’t get answers.

Leigh Ann: my gosh!

Andrew DeGregorio: It was wild. So I [00:05:00] had this chronic mystery illness with no answers. And, uh, I came across a, uh, Neural retraining program from somebody that said, Hey, check this out. This might help you, you know, try to try to get some of these symptoms under control going through the program.

I learned about limbic injuries and I learned about, um, when you have something like a brain trauma that I had many years ago, combined like traumas growing up and stress on the body and toxicity in the body. When you have a multiple kind of conversions of all these things, you can have. What I was experiencing like this mystery illness and this program that I did started to, I started seeing some signs of some shifts, but it wasn’t, wasn’t like, um, drastically getting me better.

And then I joined a group where I was, um, kind of with people that had similar kind of mystery type illnesses and somebody in that group is like, hey, you got to check out Cereset. He went to Costa Mesa, he went up and did a sero set there, [00:06:00] and he’s like, this thing is amazing. At this point in time, I’ve spent a fortune

Leigh Ann: Yeah.

Andrew DeGregorio: mold toxicity tests, chemical tests, like, what is it, the heavy metal tests, I checked my house for mold, I ran multiple tests, cancer scans, everything you can possibly imagine trying to figure out what’s going on.

Everything was saying I was fine. It was bizarre. So bizarre. And doctors were just kinda, you know, saying you had hives, but it was well, way more than just hives. It was crazy. So this, this guy is like, go check out Cereset. Went through Cereset, and I started noticing massive changes in my symptoms. Pretty immediately and I started having energy throughout the day where I was experiencing chronic fatigue and pain through my body and started noticing reductions of this and this was just through the first five sessions.

So Sarah set blew me away. Like, it was the thing that got me from basically my life falling [00:07:00] apart, thinking I was dying every day. To having symptoms every day to clearing that. And, um, I became very interested in the technology to say the least after that occurred. So service that saved my life, to be honest.

And that’s how I ended up learning about it. And in less than a year of going through it, um, I was talking to a business partner of mine and I like, Service based healing businesses and impact businesses. And we figured out that in order to use Cereset, that in order to like have it, you’d have to have a franchise.

So we ended up purchasing a franchise less than a year of me going through it. We opened in Cereset, uh, Encinitas here in San Diego. And that’s how I ended up, uh, becoming a franchise owner.

Leigh Ann: Oh my gosh, I love it. And I can’t wait to break down all of this because one of the things I love about Sarah said is it’s so fast. And this is what I hear from the clients. I refer to it. As we said, before getting on, I, I use something called Evox therapy. And so it’s voice mapping. We’re measuring the tones in the voice to see what [00:08:00] emotions are imbalanced. We’re outputting, balancing frequencies. And then I kind of pair that with this deeper subconscious work. And with that, it’s, it’s. It’s similar in the sense that the speed with which we can make changes in their emotional healing, in the things that have been keeping them stuck, is so fast. We don’t need to be here for months and years before we see progress.

Let’s get things going. But I, on occasion, will refer clients or patients to do Cereset when it feels like There’s not just an emotional lock, like your brain is on lockdown, your physical brain is on lockdown, and we need to get in there, open it up with a little bit more force, if you will, although there’s not actual force, you know, involved in Cereset, but yes, the speed with which my clients and patients have come back saying, I noticed results in Immediately from the first session is huge and I can’t wait to get into that more. Um, I want to pause though on something you said because I think it’s, first of all, it’s very relevant to me right now and [00:09:00] probably going to be very relevant for a lot of the listeners. You’re talking about, you kind of had this like perfect storm of a brain injury, early, earlier trauma from past life experiences and then, Maybe a combination of some kind of toxic burden that was all all coming together to create this perfect storm and I this last Year or so have been in Kind of a deeper healing journey that I’ve been in in a while Because I just had my sixth concussion in October

Playing soccer and then just recently about two months ago figured out that I do have mold toxicity and and I’m detoxing mold And so anyways the brain You Gosh, the concussion symptoms that are just lingering and lingering and lingering and I’ve had six so on the one hand It’s not news to me.

I’ve I’ve dealt with this before I think my last concussion took me a year to recover from And that was without all the fancy stuff and doing anything to really help it along but this one’s [00:10:00] really been a doozy and hearing you say that is very validating in a lot of ways because it’s like I also Feel like I kind of have that perfect storm You know, early childhood trauma, working through this mold toxicity, and then working through a very, very fresh, uh, concussion that is not the first one.

So,

Andrew DeGregorio: Yeah, wow. That’s that’s it’s wild to hear that. I get that. I totally have compassion for your experience. I get that. First of all, it can be frustrating, scary and and you know, we want to honor our bodies and make sure we’re healthy and things like this happen and we need to find ways to To support the body.

We live in a world where, you know, the story is common and even if people have don’t have concussions, there’s a lot of toxicity in the environment. A lot of toxicity in foods. There’s, uh, you know, people that think they might not have what we consider like trauma. They might have developmental trauma without realizing.

Most people don’t realize that if we don’t get what we need growing up and something it’s that is a traumatic experience for a child. And these these things are actually pretty [00:11:00] pervasive. And we live in a very over caffeinated environment. society. People don’t know how to relax. Uh, people are not getting into what we like at service at the parasympathetic state that will use that for the nervous system state where we’re actually resting and relaxation where the body is discharging energy or processing energy.

And we go into like tension release and we get into a healing state. So most people don’t realize that they’re stuck in these states. And then some of us get really stuck or frozen because And that’s where something Cereset or healing modalities, like you mentioned, can be very supportive.

Leigh Ann: mm hmm. Yeah, and there’s, there’s so many out there. We’re here today to talk about one specifically, but again, I’m always, I love to know kind of the broad scope of what’s out there, and then, What’s going to work the fastest with the least amount of impact or contraindications or all of these different things.

But let’s, let’s get into what is Cereset? What is this technology? And then we’ll start to break it down a little bit further.

Andrew DeGregorio: so, so Cereset is considered what we call brain mirroring technology or [00:12:00] brain echo technology. And if you want to break it down to what it actually is doing, we’re using EEG sensors. We place them on the scalp and they’re picking up the brain frequencies. They’re feeding them into this program where it’s real time coming back, and you’re actually just listening to your brain frequencies through sound.

That’s how simple Cirrus it is. And actually, I was very skeptical because it was too simple when I went to go do it. I was like, I’m laying in this chair, I got these sensors on, and I’m listening to my brain and what’s happening? The brain is like adjusting itself and tuning itself. And I thought I was like, I’m big on modalities.

I’ve done all sorts of modalities, healing modalities. And this one felt like I was like, there’s no way this is going to do what it’s so is what they claim is going to do. And I couldn’t believe the results that happened because it was so simple. So what’s happening is your brain is hearing. Through what the brain mirroring technology is doing is your brain is hearing where it’s out of tune and making these self corrections where the body can get into a relaxed state, [00:13:00] like I said earlier, parasympathetic state, which is the side of the nervous system, which is rest and digest.

So it’s getting the body to relax and stay relaxed. So healing can take place when the body is in a state or a place where there’s a natural relaxation. This body is so wise. The brain is extremely wise. It knows how to heal. If we cut ourself, We don’t do the healing. It heals itself. So we set it up that way.

The technology is allowing the body and brain to get into a state of relaxation so it can heal. And it’s, it’s very simple, but very, it’s like so amazing. What Lee Gerds, the guy that created it created.

Leigh Ann: Mm hmm. How I’ve described it in past, and maybe I’m describing it wrong, but I think based on what you just said, this is a little bit along those lines. When we have, whether it’s an emotional trauma event, or a physical trauma event, the brain can get stuck, if you will, in a certain pattern, and if that pattern persists long enough, it almost [00:14:00] forgets that it’s there, and the brain kind of moves on, and then that pattern, or that, I know this isn’t the right word, but that like, glitch or that funky pattern in the brain will just persist, persist, persist.

And what Sarasad does is, because the brain has sort of become immune to that pattern, It will, when the brain hears itself back, it’s able to then identify where that glitch is and course

Andrew DeGregorio: That’s right. Yeah. So stuck is a great word. And that’s what I was when I showed up to Cereset, like no matter what I would do, I couldn’t get. unstuck. I was basically my nervous system was in a, um, you might call freeze response. We have fight, flight, freeze. And these are good things that we, our bodies utilize and need them at certain times.

But if you get stuck in those states, uh, things can start to happen where they manifest in the physical realm, like in the physical body, they can show up as all sorts of different symptoms, psychologically, uh, thought patterns, negativity, the ways, We might have emotional outbursts, we might feel overwhelmed, and we, we can’t quite handle things, or it can show up symptomatically, and eventually things like [00:15:00] migraines, disease can set in, sicknesses, chronic illnesses, autoimmune, uh, these things can happen when the brain has that overload and it’s stuck in a, in a freeze state, or even a fight, fight state.

Leigh Ann: Mm hmm. Yeah, and, For someone it’s, so it also you’re measuring and you can actually see the state the brain is stuck in. That’s part of maybe the report or the information the client is

Andrew DeGregorio: That’s right. So, so when someone comes in, when they’re in the chair, they do about, uh, about an hour in a session. Some people might be less, some people might be more, depending on what’s going on. The sensors are being moved around different parts of the brain to pick up different places, different frequencies.

While we’re mirroring those parts, we’re actually picking up data. So throughout the whole session, we’re getting data and we actually, through each different day, we look through the data. We have a, an amazing tech at our facility who looks through all the data. She’s an expert in this. You can see all the different places that things might be occurring.

So we can tailor some of the mirroring to [00:16:00] certain parts of the brain that might require a little more mirroring and to support. Unsticking the brain. So we actually are picking up a lot of data through each session and we can see, you can actually see where people might have something going on where they’re frozen or they’re in, uh, the fight flight state.

And we show people that, and we’re actually behind the scenes getting a lot of data. We don’t show everybody all the data. Cause it’d be, it’s way too much data. It’s, it’s a lot of things that we’re looking at.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Yeah. And then is it something that you can actually track progress aside from the person’s symptoms, right? That’s going to be a big one. Hey, I’m, I’m feeling so much better. I’m so much calmer, whatever the symptoms they’re experiencing, but can you actually see the shifts in the brain as they’re going through sessions?

Yeah.

Andrew DeGregorio: Yeah, so we can and we track that over time. So some people might come in and they might do a short amount of sessions, five to ten sessions, they might be done. And then some people continue because they see the benefit and they realize there’s more they can do. They might feel like they’ve accomplished their goals, but they keep coming.

We have people that [00:17:00] come twice a month ongoing because it’s like brain hygiene for them. And we actually can see over these longer periods of time, even the short periods of time, The shifts that are occurring so we look at the data We want to show people those shifts and there’s also the subjective like people notice the differences uh, some people might not notice as much because they’re not might not be very aware of the body or might not have as Um a very compromised state, but what we get is actually some, uh, like There’s clients whose wives have said, oh my God, we have see, we see such.

They’re seeing such a difference in the way their husband is responding or react. They’re not reacting as fast anymore. They’re more relaxed, their personality is more robust. And I’ve seen this as well. So sometimes people in your life that if you’re going through service, that they may notice significant differe.

And that happens a

Leigh Ann: Mm hmm.

Andrew DeGregorio: So we got the data, we got the subjective changes, and then the people around them are noticing as well.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. And let’s talk about, kind of, the implications of this. And maybe we’ll start with physical injuries, right? We’ve [00:18:00] talked about concussions, um, there’s so many different ways we can injure our brain. To your point, surfing, car accidents, so many different things. How, how can those injuries happen? Cause us to get stuck, cause the nervous system to get stuck. And what are some of the signs and symptoms of that outside of right? Like maybe you have a brain injury. Yes, there’s headaches, but we don’t necessarily realize there’s a whole ripple effect that could be having very subtly within the body.

Andrew DeGregorio: Yeah. So, so there’s a lot of research out there in the brain and, uh, we don’t fully understand it. There’s the thing is

Leigh Ann: Totally.

Andrew DeGregorio: wild. Like the body’s amazing. It’s a miracle. There’s, there’s a lot of amazing science and research. I’m not an expert in all those areas, but I can tell you when there’s, um, From my own experience and then I also in my other practice and business working with people on healing and uh, what I noticed is like when there’s all there’s certain limits that all of us [00:19:00] have and some have a wider range of that where uh, too much stress on the nervous system in the brain eventually gets to a point where Stuckness can occur and symptoms will show up in that, like it might not be physical symptoms right away, but things like, like you said earlier, headaches, migraines, things like that can show up, but just being like really short and really fast, like to react to things, like someone cuts you off and you’re very reactive, like overly reactive, this could be a sign that there’s some stuckness, um, not letting things go like rumination, right?

Like ruminating on things and like something happens in life and you can’t just Or you’re thinking about somebody constantly, you can’t let it go. Things like this are indicators of stuckness. And a lot of these things are, like I said earlier, a combination of many things over time, building up and it kind of creates a backlog.

And developmental trauma, um, shock trauma, toxicity, things that we already mentioned, uh, combined with physical injuries are a perfect storm. And [00:20:00] it could just be one of those things. It doesn’t have to be all those things. So you can, you can even check, like if someone’s listening to this and they just wanna take a moment.

And what is it like when you shut your eyes? And you just sit back. Are you able to relax or is the mind just taking you around in circles? Is it you constantly lost in thoughts and thinking, and this is an indicator that we’re, our nervous system is not getting into relaxed state and we normalize that.

And that’s actually not the best thing for us to normalize because what we actually want to see and what we look for at Sarasat as we progress through working with the technology, we want to see somebody that can close their eyes. Some thoughts are okay. It’s like, doesn’t thoughts are fine, but they can relax.

And they get into a discharge state, discharging energy, and they get into a state where their body starts to release tension, digestion’s working, they feel the tension melting away, they’re not constantly thinking about work, other people, things they gotta do in the future, like all these are [00:21:00] indicators that we’re probably in a perpetually stuck state.

Now the range of how stuck we are is when it starts to show up, like if we’re really stuck, like I was. Then we start to see symptoms like the guy was experiencing, things like that. And eventually it can get worse. It could lead to even worse diseases if we don’t, you know, keep, um, keep up with what I like to call brain and nervous system hygiene.

Leigh Ann: Right. Just that trickle down effect of the brain has been injured and it affects everything. The nervous system affects everything. And so, left unattended long enough, our digestion changes, our hormone production changes, our sleep changes. It literally will affect everything, um, which is why, yes, being able to intervene and do some work.

What do you, what do you tend to see the most of, of people coming in? Mm hmm. Mm hmm. Is it physical injuries they’re working through or more like trauma, stress, these kinds of things?

Andrew DeGregorio: Usually they come in with a combination, but we do see concussions, um, People [00:22:00] having like anxiety, like people that are pretty anxious, this is really great for that chronic anxiety, social anxiety, sleep, people that are struggling with sleep, typically will come in like insomnia, things like that. It’s, it’s, that’s another issue if we’re, you know, stuck in like fight flight we’re constantly apart, it’s hard to sleep hard to get a restful sleep.

So that’s, that’s a big one. Um, but it’s. We’ve had some interesting ones. There’s been, there’s so many, when people end up at Cereset, they’re like, they’ve tried so many things and they’re like, okay, I’m, I’m here. Let’s, let’s make this work. So, um, and some people just come in just for like focus. They want to, they want to get a little more focused in their life.

They want to feel they have sustained energy to do what they’re here to do, like create what they want to create and feel better at work. Uh, that was one of the biggest surprises for me about going through Cereset is that prior to a head injury, uh, I used to feel tired throughout the day, even after a head [00:23:00] injury and going through that chronic illness experience.

Um, when I went through Sarasat, I started to have energy when I woke up in the morning, sustained throughout the day. And then when I got tired at night, it was like a tired that wasn’t like a fatigue or a drained. I felt strong, but I just felt like this normal, natural tired came in. And. I felt normal.

Like I couldn’t believe the amount of how normal I felt and how sustained my energy was. I was like, how can you have energy throughout the day? Like this is wild. My whole life I never experienced that. So Cereset has shown me that even prior to any injuries, like I was in a pretty, um, chronically kind of stuck state in my opinion.

Leigh Ann: Yeah, it’s one of those things where it, you know, it almost sounds cliche where we could say probably just about anyone on this planet could benefit from Cereset.

Andrew DeGregorio: I agree.

Leigh Ann: You know, and, and at the same time kind of going, Yeah, this, you know, this is a sustained treatment. This is something you’ve got to come in for.

It maybe isn’t the first thing [00:24:00] everyone has to jump to, but I know there’s people like myself who have had a lot of prolonged, you know, injuries, repeat injuries, and wanting to kind of hit it really

hard from the get go, um, I think can be so, so profound again, kind of coming back to it, you know, what it was making me think of is, um, what NET, what is the like neural.

Andrew DeGregorio: Neurofeedback?

Leigh Ann: Neurofeedback. So this is, this is one, even for me with Evox, people ask me so much about like, how does Evox compare to neurofeedback? So I’ll ask you this question. How does Cereset compare to neurofeedback? I have my own thoughts on neurofeedback. I think personally, I think it takes way too long,

um, to see benefits, but I’d love a quick little comparison.

Andrew DeGregorio: Yes. So this is a common question. I feel like they’re cousins. Like all these things can be related to some degree. You know, when we look at neurofeedback, that’s, that’s, uh, important what you, you mentioned. There’s a lot of sessions you got to do. Uh,

Leigh Ann: Like 40 [00:25:00] sometimes.

Andrew DeGregorio: can, it can add up, it can be even, you know, as far as I’ve heard longer, depending on the people, depending on what they’re moving through, I heard very positive things about neurofeedback, so I hear that’s good, but it takes a while, it could be a higher investment, um, they, the, one of the primary differences with neurofeedback is that you’re consciously trying to do something, you’ll have these sensors hooked up to you, and you’re trying to make something happen, like you’re trying to get into a relaxed state, like the, like you might be playing a game, And you’re controlling the game with your, your brain through these sensors.

And you’re trying to get like a plane or something to get, go through these hoops or something. It’s reading your, um, brain waves and responding to that. And you’re consciously trying to do something. And what we notice is like, if you’re consciously trying to do something, typically you might get in your own way.

You might become a perfectionist. You might, it might be activating for some people. And with Cereset, what’s really cool about it’s totally passive. There’s in contrast to. Compared to neurofeedback, [00:26:00] you’re relaxed, your brain is doing the work, you’re not doing the work. There’s a natural wisdom intelligence the body has to heal, and Cereset sets up the environment for that.

That was one of the reasons why I decided, besides me having the amazing experience of healing using Cereset, that I decided to invest in Cereset, because it’s honoring the natural wisdom of the body and brain. It’s not doing anything to the brain, and you’re not trying to make anything happen. And I love that about this modality.

I think it’s amazing that we’re actually honoring the wisdom of the body brain. This is so intelligent. And that’s one of the primary differences. It’s a closed loop system in real time. The, the frequencies are being mirrored back to you real time and you’re not intervening in that system at all. That, that, that, that system of, um, information that’s going through like a neural feedback, playing a game or something.

Leigh Ann: Yeah, that makes so much more sense to me. I, I talk so much about the subconscious. In fact, I’m starting my PhD program in the subconscious this September.

So that’s kind of the [00:27:00] foundation of my practice is subconscious versus conscious. The subconscious is responsible for 80 to 95 percent of the decisions of our life, of our lived experience. And that neurofeedback is Trying to use your conscious brain to make subconscious shifts is kind of how I would describe it. And, and it’s like, why would we use the 5 percent to try to change the 95%? Our conscious brain like is so not helpful in these moments. Hence many, many people, and I don’t want to knock talk therapy.

I know it, it’s life saving, life changing, but why it sometimes can be such a prolonged experience is we’re only using our conscious brain to try and facilitate all of these. change to the things that are happening much, much deeper down. And so I completely agree. I think Sarah said is working on that subconscious level to shift.

And, but, but then also truly make some physiological shifts in the brain from some of those patterns and [00:28:00] imbalances.

Andrew DeGregorio: Well said. Yeah, I agree. I think, you know, talk therapy can be a part of, you know, people’s healing journey. I think it’s there’s some benefits there. It does can take a long time if you’re only doing that. And you know what happened to my with what I would call that spiritual awakening experience that happened.

Like I started to learn that I was getting in my own way constantly because I was consciously trying to make things happen. And when I learned through healing and you know, Uh, I’ve learned how to actually surrender more into this intelligence that exists everywhere. I’ve learned how to let something else deeper within me be the guide, whether you call that The subconscious, the unconscious, whether you call that, uh, the intelligence of the universe, whatever it is, there can be, or intuition, there can be different words.

But when I let that be the guide, uh, my reality has become amazing. Like I created an amazing business. Uh, I was able to invest in something like Sarasite, create a second business, which is Sarasite. And I work with amazing awakening leaders that are entrepreneurs doing amazing work on this planet, like supporting them more into their [00:29:00] souls to bring more impact and change.

And like, If I consciously tried to do any of that, it never happened. Like, it was a struggle in relationships, it was a struggle in finances, it was a struggle in health. When I surrender, I’m guided properly. And that’s, you know, I can attribute that to what you just said, like, surrendering into, like, the unconscious, letting that deeper place within me guide me, as opposed to, like, getting consciously in my way.

And Sarazat honors that very well.

Leigh Ann: Yeah, so much of the individuals I work with, there’s kind of, there’s kind of two subsets, there’s the group of people coming in with just, maybe it’s chronic anxiety or depression, anger, grief, any number of things, and they’re going, I’ve tried everything, I’m so stuck in this, let’s, for me it’s, let’s use EVOX and figure out what is going on deeper in the subconscious that’s keeping us stuck, particularly early, late, toxic, you know.

repressed emotions, beliefs that we’ve created from these core experiences. But what I have found, and then the other subset is I work with a lot of cancer [00:30:00] patients, and that’s kind of twofold. That’s how can we get them more peace, calm, and clarity as they’re going through this diagnosis, but also really looking at what is the past trauma, What is the chronic stress that might be contributing to this disease we’re experiencing and that’s what really sets my soul on fire because I don’t think there’s enough talk around, um, you know, how our emotions can cause disease and particularly in that, category. Um, there’s so much the doctors are doing for all the physical health and there’s almost nothing they’re doing for the emotional side. So,

but with all that said, I, I talk so much and having been in this for a few years now, really starting to see that there’s what I might call body based work, and then there’s cognitive, you know, psychological based work, and I think both are so critically important, you know, that psychological, I, I break down even further into conscious and subconscious, and I mainly focus on that subconscious, but at some point we need to be [00:31:00] doing some kind of body based work.

And it’s kind of figuring out what is that, that mix for all of us. What I find is if I do have a client I’m working with, who typically we can release emotions, clear subconscious beliefs pretty quickly. But if I’m with someone and, you know, after two, maybe three sessions, it’s still a bit sticky. That’s when I’m going, okay, our brain’s on lockdown.

We need to go do a body based modality to get that brain out of lockdown so that the things we’re trying to help it release, the things we’re trying to help it integrate. can actually start to move. And thankfully, I think EVOX is pretty powerful, so I don’t see that too often. But when I do, that for me is always that sign.

We’ve got to go do a body based modality. And Cereset is always one of the first ones I recommend. Again, just because of how, you know, impactful and quick it is. Mm

Andrew DeGregorio: beautiful. I love the work that you’re doing. That’s amazing. I’m what you’re speaking and [00:32:00] mapping out and what you’re sharing. I agree with everything, everything you’re, you’re, you’re bringing forth like, um, When, when the body’s on lockdown, we’ve got to do some somatic work and, and we have to find a way to unstick it so we can process it again, so we get back to this, this natural way of the body processing and digesting what’s there.

And so we’re not just looping and stuck and continually, like, kind of going around in circles, right? Uh, it can manifest in different ways in the body, can manifest different ways in the mind. And in our realities, like how we can get stuck. Like, like I said earlier, I was repeating patterns and finances and struggle and relationships.

And that was a, that was a stuckness that was happening in the body. And through similar work that you’re describing, like somatic release, doing, uh, energetics, uh, like receiving, doing energy medicine and receiving this and all these different types of modalities. And even the psychological side, like working my attachment system, the way I relate, uh, I’ve done eight years now of attachment therapy, receiving that, mentoring in that, learning [00:33:00] about that, offering that, and things like this.

I find there’s, there’s ways we can utilize these modalities, but there are times where we need something like Cereset or something that can just. Nudge us in the right direction to get us unstuck so these modalities have a greater impact. And I love that you’re seeing that and you’re referring people to something like this.

This is what, what lights me up as well and why, uh, with my partner Jason, my business partner, we decided to bring Cereset to San Diego here. It’s like we wanted people in this area to really benefit from this amazing modality and combine it with these other things like you just mentioned.

Leigh Ann: Yeah, I give analogies all the time because I’m so visual, but it’s kind of like these, whatever they are, the repressed emotions, the limiting beliefs, the injuries that have piled up, the nervous system dysregulation. It’s like, you know, those parachutes athletes use when they’re running to like slow them down. It’s like doing a sprint with that parachute on. And so often with Evox, we can clear that parachute so quickly so that they are [00:34:00] free to run without that resistance. But on occasion I get someone who comes in and I might say, it’s not a parachute holding them back, like it’s a full on boulder.

And when it’s the boulder, that’s Cereset’s turn.

Like, hey, you go clear this boulder, it into a parachute. I can work with the parachute, but sometimes the stuckness is so It’s almost like I can physically feel the energy in the room. Like, your brain is locked. Locked tight. Evox isn’t enough to clear, you know, open that door. We’ve got to go do something a little bit stronger, and that’s when I send them your way.

Um, and again, it’s so great because I think they pair so well with each other. That body based work, I think, can do so much to give us the immediate results, both physically and emotionally. And then this deeper emotional work can go, and what might still be imprinted? What beliefs, you know, still need to be looked at from this near death experience that I might have come out of from this trauma that I endured for [00:35:00] so long?

Whatever it might be. So I think there’s such like such a beautiful kind of kismet pairing that I have loved

getting to, you know. Refer clients

Andrew DeGregorio: That’s so wonderful. I love that. I love your analogy there with the parachute and boulder. It’s like I feel I feel that that that That really like hits home with me and seeing a client We had a client that was doing years and years of somatic healing Therapy and she was trying to work through her childhood trauma and she’s she’s done everything to and this thing kept happening in her life where It wasn’t resolving and no matter what she did and how many healing sessions she did and this is years I’m talking years and years and years and years wasn’t like she was like a couple it was a long time she came in and uh did went through the five sessions and It feels like what we saw was like she was blown away by it.

First of all, and What we saw was, um, it like helped all those modalities and all those, that the healing work and the, the therapy work helped to integrate everything, [00:36:00] like all of a sudden, like it allowed her body and her nervous system to get into a state where all that work, it wasn’t done in vain. It allowed it to just basically like, what I would say is integrate and land and, She had a massive shift.

Finally, she got where she was looking to go to and all those other healing sessions She was doing all those other therapies and I felt so good seeing this woman shift and you know She went through the five sessions and it stuck and it’s it’s something that’s held and then she came back needed again Because she wanted to go through it again Like some people just want to experience more and go through more and she loves it And it’s something that she wants to incorporate into her into her life.

She actually to San Diego to go to our center. She, she is a someone that knew us and I told her about my experience and she’s like, I gotta, I want to go with you guys. I want to go. I was like, all right, come down and she flew down again to go through a second time and

Leigh Ann: oh, I love that.

Andrew DeGregorio: yeah,

Leigh Ann: Yeah, you kind of bring up a great question. I had a client actually asked me this exact question about Sarah set and I would really love your input on it. [00:37:00] She was saying her and I are working together on a big project. Present day stressor in her life that we both know I have got to find a way to clear the stressor from my life Um, I know that i’m not quite able to do that just yet I need to make some changes and some of these different things And so she was like so should I do sarah set now? Or should I wait until I clear the stressor and then do Cereset after? And her question behind that was of course doing Cereset now is going to be beneficial, but if the core thing’s still causing so much stress and turbulence for her is still in her life, ultimately all that stress is going to come right back and then she’ll just have to do Cereset again.

What, what would be your kind of input on that?

Andrew DeGregorio: yeah, that’s a good question. Like, uh, This is important to recognize. If we’re putting ourselves in situations and experiences that are just gonna reenact and recreate the same thing, uh, the benefits of CSET will be reduced to some degree. ’cause these are new neuro pathways that are forming. [00:38:00] So these are like baby neuro pathways.

You go through cset. It’s creating, uh, neuro pathways that, uh, are pointing us more to rest, relaxation. And we need to solidify and strengthen these neuro pathways. They don’t like. If you ever heard the saying, what, uh, neurons fire together, they wire together. And we have to, um, encourage that. And at first they’re baby neuropathways and then they need to be encouraged.

So if you go through Cereset and you got these new neuropathways that are showing up, they’re brand new. So if you go back into the old ways of stressors and the same stuff and not making even just like little lifestyle changes, like you’re not encouraging a process that you’re going to see less results.

You gotta, you gotta, it’s not like a fix all everything. You have to make, Lifestyle changes. No, like you gotta, you gotta take yourself out of the stressful situation. If you can’t, then Cereset could be supportive for that person. I have to have like a, I have to have a conversation to really assess. Sound like, is this person needing to remove themselves fully?

Can they do that? Would this [00:39:00] be beneficial for them to go through now or later? So it usually depends, but you really need to understand that when you go through Sarah set how neural pathways are being created, how to strengthen them. And we coach people a little bit. We’re not therapists at the center.

Uh, we, we do some lifestyle coaching, some very light pointers to like, Hey, this is what you need to do to encourage, strengthen these neural pathways and it will take, you know, this amount of time for them to really take hold. And you gotta, you gotta stay with it till they take, till it takes hold.

Leigh Ann: Right. Because it’s almost like with Seraphset, we’ve put in some new information. Hey, brain, we’re safe. We can be calm. We can be relaxed. But if you go back out into life and engage in all these activities that communicate a different story to your brain, then yeah, at some point your brain is going to start to adapt to all of that information we’re giving it.

Andrew DeGregorio: Yeah, I think of, um, like a path that someone’s walked through the woods. You can see that the path has been cleared. It’s like [00:40:00] dirt and all around is like the trees have grown all around it. But you can see a clear path where people have walked a lot of times, right? And that’s like neuropathways. If in our life, we’ve walked some paths and it’s very clear.

Saras that’s creating a new path. And we got to walk that new path and we need to encourage that new path and new habits and introducing new things. Like if someone is coming in for insomnia and they want to sleep better and if they’re You know, bedtime is 1 a. m. and they’re eating chocolate late before they go to bed and they’re going to bed really late and they’re watching movies that are scary.

These are lifestyle things that need to change, like start to go to bed earlier, turn off blue light and all these things early on. Don’t eat a few hours before bed, like encourage these lifestyle changes, new neural pathways to take hold. So people that don’t honor the process might not get as good as results.

Leigh Ann: Yeah, yeah, you know, we can’t get away from taking that responsibility for our life, our [00:41:00] lifestyle, and our health. It’s amazing that there are so many fantastic tools and modalities that can help jumpstart the process, but ultimately we are responsible for creating, A life that is conducive to how we want to feel and be, um, but I do think having something like Sarasate, because sometimes what happens is we get so stuck in that downward spiral. I feel so sick that it’s so hard for me to make the changes I need to. And, and so I feel so sick and then emotionally I’m down, which makes me then do less good things for me. So then I get more sick and then I get more down and down, down, down we go. And so sometimes I do think it is so powerful to have something like Saras that to just come in, halt the spiral, give us enough of that energy capacity, um, nervous system balancing to be able to then go have the capacity to make more of these changes.

So yeah, I think even in chatting it out with you, I think there probably are instances where it [00:42:00] might be like, Hey, Maybe we wait, we make some of these lifestyle changes first, then go do Cereset. And then likewise, I think there’s times where it’s like, no, no, we got to bring this in now to make the shifts so that you can go make some of these changes that you need to.

Andrew DeGregorio: Yeah, this well said again, I’m sitting here listening to you and I’m loving what you’re sharing. And I’m, I’m appreciating how your clients must love you. Like this feels, it’s like you’re so insightful and you’re, you’re, you see the bigger picture and you’re very like, like very educated and very well, like, um, you have a lot of insight on it.

And I just love that. And I’m, I’m, I’m just loving your share. It’s so good to have this conversation where you seeing all the, the different sides of things and angles. It’s And I’m having, I just feel so much appreciation for that share.

Leigh Ann: that’s so sweet. Thank you so much. That’s really kind. Um, I’m guessing, do you have a hard stop at? Uh, three, 3.

Andrew DeGregorio: I don’t, I, I, I, I, I, um, I can keep going. I have a little bit of

Leigh Ann: I might take us like five more

Andrew DeGregorio: Yeah, that’s perfect.

Leigh Ann: just to ask a couple of little final[00:43:00]

Andrew DeGregorio: It’s, it’s 3 30. No, it’s 2 30, 2 30. Okay.

Leigh Ann: Uh, 2. 30. Sorry.

Andrew DeGregorio: my gosh, 3 30. I was like, we’ve been talking

Leigh Ann: Ooh, now then we do have a hard stop. We got to go. Yeah. Yeah. Um, thank you so much for that. That is very, very sweet. Yes. I. I love, I think one of my things is I love understanding the big picture so that I can make those recommendations that really make sense versus being an expert in just one tiny narrow thing and only knowing that one thing and not being able to see kind of how all the other pieces connect.

So I love that. Okay. A couple of quick questions, just cause I know, I think the audience will be interested in this. What does the process look like if someone were to get started? And then I also do want to ask about contraindications. If there ever was a situation where you’d be like, no, it’s not right for

Andrew DeGregorio: Yeah. So the process is, uh, it starts off what we like. We like to call it our Sarah set center. We call it phase one, which is the first five sessions. People call up, they come in, we assess what they got going on. We onboard them. We ask specific questions to make sure they are candidates and makes figure out what their goals are.

[00:44:00] And we take baselines. And so we can kind of get some data with that as well. And then they’re going to, they’re going to go through the core process starts with four sessions up front. Yeah. Sometimes four days in a row. Sometimes it’s split up depending on the the client. And, uh, then there’s a 21 day follow up or that could be 14 day follow up.

It just we’re going to do an integration session, uh, within two or three weeks after those first four sessions. So that’s the core process. Some people will start to notice some changes there. Some people not yet. Do we do notice in the data? There’s some shifts that do occur. And then most people are, you know, about a 10 session client clients.

Like they usually require about five. 10 15 total to get where they want to go. Uh, there are cases where it might be up to 20. It just depends on the person And then there’s people that get where they want to go. Like I said, and they keep coming But the like they want it’s like brain hygiene. That’s my term that I use It’s like, you know clearing the plaque or they want to they want to be the best they can feel and they want to [00:45:00] keep Compounding their gains and strengthening the neural pathways Uh, the sessions last, you know about you’ll be in the office for an hour an hour and a half Uh, so it’s not that long.

Uh, and then like there’s, like I said, there’s light lifestyle coaching depending on what they’re doing. We don’t do a lot of that. There’s just little bits of touch ins like with what’s going on how they could support strengthen the neural pathways. Uh, and then like I said, the phase one is the core five sessions.

Phase two, if we want to use that terminology is like uh, the next sessions, which is like phase one is creating the neural pathways. Phase two is like strengthening and solidifying those neural pathways. So that’s where they start to do like an additional sessions after the first five. Uh, and phase three would be if they, the way I call it phase three, and it’s like, if people want to do ongoing, they want to, like, they want a membership, or they want to do brain hygiene, or they want to come once every six months, or once every few years.

It just depends on the person. So some people might be done and they’re complete with it. And I see people though they travel some people have come to San Diego that we did [00:46:00] Sarasota and Idaho or wherever we’re in Colorado and we want to just do five here we’re on vacation but we want to do some, we want to do some sessions so I’ve seen stuff like

Leigh Ann: Oh, I love that.

Andrew DeGregorio: that can happen.

Once. where people hit their goals, um, then they determine what they want to do. And then after, uh, that, that’s pretty much the process. It’s not, it’s not a, it’s not very elaborate. There can be, um, very positive things that can happen at first. Sometimes you might feel bad, worse at first. Just want to name that.

I had for the first week, I felt a co mingling of worse and amazing. It was bizarre. I felt really shitty and really great. So that it just depends on the person. There’s no way of knowing. Everyone’s brain and nervous system is different, and depending on how compromised somebody is. So, some people are very neutral.

They don’t notice many shifts, and their family is like, oh my god, there’s so much changing with this person. That can happen. So it all varies on the person, and How aware they are and [00:47:00] also how, how far they are in the process. Sometimes they might not notice it till 10 sessions, 15 sessions, things like that.

So that’s pretty straightforward how the process works. And then, uh, with people that might not be candidates, there are some, uh, we have to onboard to, you know, to get those details. And sometimes it could be like if someone’s having seizures, for example, history of seizures, that’s not going to work with this, uh, suicidal, not going to work with this.

Um, uh, there’s other things that, that can be, um, uh, that we’ll find during the onboarding process that won’t, that may, they might not be candidates because that, but those are some of the, some of the things like that. There, there are some, not a lot overall,

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Which you’ll cover with them. I’m sure in

your onboarding

Andrew DeGregorio: are certain things like medications can slow the process. So those people that might be on antidepressants, they’ll work with it. It will work. But if you’re on like five different medications, it might slow the process down. So we want, we want to be very [00:48:00] clear for those people.

It’s like a longer process. If someone’s on five medications, they might not be good for service. If they’re on four and they might slow way down. So we want to be very transparent. We educate. We make sure people understand that there can be some negative side effects at first. Very temporary. Mine was only a few days.

Uh, but we want to make sure we’re very, uh, open and disclosing the entire process start to finish because want to take care of everybody. Want to make sure they feel safe through this process and know that we’re not doing anything to the brains. It’s the brain doing it to itself. Which is,

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Yeah. Do you think the potential for some negative side effects might speak to when our nervous system does get regulated after prolonged dysregulation? It’s almost like the fallout where you, when in such a dysregulated state, you become so numb. To the symptoms that were probably already there that in this regulated state we’re feeling everything again.

Andrew DeGregorio: yeah, I can agree with that fully. And it also reminds me of like, um, sometimes before you get well, you get worse. Like if you’re doing like a detox, [00:49:00] for example, like people have done detoxes, they feel really bad during the detox. It doesn’t mean something’s wrong. It means their body’s discharging. What’s been being held onto right now, actually, my fiance, she’s in a cleanse and for the past few days, she’s been feeling very fatigued, very down, very off.

And it’s part of the cleanse. It’s something that comes up. So these can be things that happen with cleanses, uh, things like Sarah set also in healing, like therapy and energy healing or, uh, therapy work, psychological healing. Sometimes we can feel worse before we get better.

Leigh Ann: I love that. I think I feel like I had one other question. Oh contraindications. We talked about that. Okay, amazing I will make sure your website your socials everything is linked in the show notes But if there’s anything else you’d really love the audience to hear or know before we close i’ll give

Andrew DeGregorio: Yeah. If they want to know anything about my other work, my website’s Andrew D Rorio. com, which is my website. And then Sarah set. com. We can, that’s the main [00:50:00] website for Sarah set. Um, uh, yeah, that’s, that’s all I really have to share.

Leigh Ann: And then does your, your center specifically, you have your own phone number and everything. I know it’s like franchise. So it goes through Sarasota. Cause I’ll make sure I’ll put your direct, um, center’s

Andrew DeGregorio: we’re Sarasat Encinitas, uh, San Diego. So we’re, we’re the only Sarasat in San Diego. We’re in Encinitas, California. Um, Encinitas, San Diego.

Leigh Ann: Amazing. I love it. Well, thank you so much, Andrew. This was so fun. I, again, because it’s something I recommend so often, I love being able to have a podcast where I’m like, go listen to this, it’ll explain it better, and then you can kind of make a decision from there, but so thank you so much. This was

Andrew DeGregorio: I so appreciate you. Thank you so much for having me.