Full Edit Michael Zenn – Say Goodbye to Greenwashing & Hello to 100% Plants w/Herbal Face Food

Leigh Ann: [00:00:00] Hello, happy Monday, welcome back to the Accrescent Podcast. I’m your host, Leigh Ann Lindsey. Oh my goodness, one week, week and a half before Christmas. Okay, so a couple housekeeping items before I get into today’s episode guest First if you haven’t checked out the holistic holiday gift guide yet I will link that one last time below in the show notes This is a collection of all of my favorite products from 2024 things.

I use every single day So if you’re still needing some last minute gift ideas, that is a really great resource second I am going to be taking a two week break from the podcast to enjoy the holidays with family, rest, recover, get ready for the new year. So after this episode, the next episode will not be until January 6th.

So I will see you all in 2025. And then lastly, I wanted to say [00:01:00] Michael Zen, my guest on this episode, he is offering all of the listeners of today’s episode a massive Giveaway that I’m going to share more about in just a second But keep listening if you want all the details for that giveaway because it is super super special And generous, um, but I want to introduce him first.

So Michael Zenn is the founder of Herbal face food and if any of you guys follow me on social media, you’ll know I post about them pretty regularly Their products are like my holy grail of social media skincare. I’ve used them for over four years now consistently. It is probably one of like two, maybe three skincare products that I have bought over and over and over and over again.

Michael was actually on the podcast. He was one of my earliest guests way back in 2020, giving us the whole rundown of herbal face food. So if you haven’t heard that initial episode, I [00:02:00] will make sure it’s linked in the show notes below. I can’t remember exactly which episode number it was, but i’ll make sure it’s linked down below if you guys want to listen to that one either before or after this one.

We go really really in depth into all the nuance of Herbal face food products. And because we already did that in that first episode, we didn’t cover quite so many of the deep nuance of herbal face food. Although we did cover some of the main highlights and then talk about some of their newest amazing products that have come out since that last conversation.

But Michael so generously offered to do a 2, 000 product giveaway to one of you guys as a gift. the listeners. So listen very closely. Here is how you can enter to be the winner of 2, 000 worth of herbal face food product. I thought it would be really fun, since it’s the end of the year, to have everyone on their phones take a screenshot of whatever your favorite [00:03:00] episode of the Accrescent podcast was this year.

Post it to social media and tag at the Accrescent and at Leigh Ann Lindsey. And that will be how you enter this giveaway. I will type out these instructions in the show notes below But i’ll say it one more time to enter the giveaway for two thousand dollars worth of herbal face food product screenshot Whatever podcast app you listen to whether it’s on my website on apple podcast spotify wherever you’re listening Screenshot your, go to your favorite episode of the Accrescent podcast from this year, screenshot it, post it to your stories, and tag at the Accrescent and at LeighAnneLindsay.

This is so kind of Michael, that is a massive, massive giveaway. And, uh, I’m so excited for some, you know, one of you to get to either try their products for the first time or get a massive Stock of their products if you’re already using them, so [00:04:00] make sure you enter. I’m gonna say I will give that One week.

One week to enter the giveaway. That way we can choose a winner coming up on Christmas and get your product pretty quickly. So, I will say the end date of that will be Monday the 23rd. All those entries need to go up and I will be keeping track of them over the week. Good luck! So with that, please enjoy this conversation with Michael.

And again, Either before or after this episode, make sure you go back and listen to our first conversation as well.

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Well, Michael, it’s so fun to have you back on the Accrescent podcast. We were just chatting off air that it’s been four years since we talked face to face last. So this is really exciting.

Michael Zenn: It doesn’t seem that long. Um, but I can tell you you’re one of my favorite people. And from the first time we talked.

We, we’re all impressed with you and you’re, you’re going to do great things and you are. And so it’s great to revisit you four years later, I didn’t realize it’d been so long, but that’s awesome.

Leigh Ann: Oh my gosh. I know. Well, it’s so [00:07:00] exciting. And even as I was preparing for today’s conversation, obviously, obviously I use your products.

I follow, I’m up to date with everything. But when I really sat down to go. Okay, what are we going to talk about? I was like, holy shit, they have released so many amazing products since last we’ve talked. So I’m excited to get into that. Sure. But I do also think for those, you know, that was four years ago.

I know people aren’t combing through hundreds of podcast episodes to the past. So I do think it would be really good to start with some of the foundation.

Michael Zenn: Yeah, sure.

Leigh Ann: I’d be really impressed if they were. But some of the foundations, I don’t think we need to go as, as depth into it because I do want to send people back to that original conversation where we go really, really deep into all of herbal face food.

But for those who are new, who have never heard of you before, give us a little bit of what, who are you? Maybe we should start there. And what is herbal face food?

Michael Zenn: Well, I appreciate that. And I just want to say, you know, [00:08:00] you’ve been with us for so long. You’re one of the early adopters. And what we really loved about you is how honest, sincere, compassionate you are about people and helping people be the best version of themselves.

And you’re the kind of person that we dream about partnering with. because I call them true believers, you know, people that really are doing what they’re doing because they want to help people. And, um, and so we want to say thank you for being our partner all these years. And whenever someone mentions your name, I smile because I know your heart.

I know your spirit. And then we are kindred spirits in that that’s really what gets us excited about life is helping people. And, uh, so thank you for that. Um, I don’t know if you’re going to do this at the end, but I would love to do a big giveaway for people that are watching this podcast. Um, I’d like to give away, let’s say 2, 000 in product.

That’s okay. To someone who’s, Oh

Leigh Ann: my gosh. Yeah.

Michael Zenn: [00:09:00] I would love to give away that.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Amazing.

Michael Zenn: So somehow on this podcast, if you’re watching, um, you might get a chance to win 2, 000. And then I would love to give everybody on this podcast a copy of my book, The Self Health Revolution. And I, and I’ll start with that because, um, I wrote a book called The Self Health Revolution.

Uh, it’s the only book I’ve endorsed by Whole Foods Markets and the founder of Whole Foods, John Mackey, and really his wife, his wife. Is the big one. Um, and uh, they contacted me one day and they said we’ve read your book. John’s read your book. It’s by his bedside. He read your book twice. He never, he doesn’t read books twice and we, we love to endorse your book.

And of course that phone conversation changed my life a little bit.

Leigh Ann: And

Michael Zenn: then I got published by Simon Schuster and now I’m in several different languages around the world, but um, right after the book came out, I was doing a lot of TV interviews. I had these dark patches on both sides of my face. This, this would [00:10:00] be like literally brown.

It is tan right now because I just got back from the Philippines and Hawaii, but I had these dark patches and they told me it’s permanent. They said, we can laser that, we can bleach it, but it’s going to come back. And that’s really what most people here about melasma, um, there’s really no cure for it for the most part.

And so I’m like, really? You know, I’m not going to, that’s, I didn’t agree with that, you know? So I started working with one of the top herbalists in the world in, in Malibu, where I live. We started looking around the planet, looking for the most powerful anti aging botanicals on earth that have ever been tested and super concentrating those.

I started using that original formulation, uh, within four or five weeks, my melasma went away. It’s been gone forever. We were really stunned because it was just plants, no chemicals. Started giving product away, literally made it in my kitchen. In Malibu, and we gave it to people in Malibu, LA, and eventually shipped it [00:11:00] around the world.

I gave it away for free. Um, believe it or not, I, I gave it with probably 2000 bottles for free. And I was kind of sneaky because I knew, uh, they were going to come back for more. And so within, within six months, we were in Korea. One of the people I sent it to was this girl in Texas, and she fell in love with it.

She sent it to her mom and dad in Korea, and they, they were some of the top luxury importers in Korea. And then they came over and visited me many times in LA and begged me, basically, to take it to Korea. So within six months, I’m in Korea. We became a cult brand overnight. Uh, in all the high end stores, like Shinsegae, which is like the Bloomingdale’s of Korea and many Korean pop stars, show property stars, even bigger started using my product.

So here I am, this guy in Malibu walking around Korea on TV in Korea and doing the interviews. [00:12:00] And um, I don’t think at that time I’d ever been to Korea, if I can remember. That was the first, my first time going to Korea. So, um, it was just crazy. It’s a crazy story. Crazy. So we blew up in Korea and then a few years after that, we decided to go international and take it around the world, bring it back to the U S, but really raise the whole level of the formulations and the look and feel.

I don’t know if you saw the early products that we had, but, you know, come up with, you know, packaging that is as beautiful as our product is. So anyway, uh, today we ship, It’s about every country in the world. We’ve been on the cover of Vogue twice, once with Giselle. We have celebrities around the world that use our product.

They may not talk about it, but they, it’s on their, their shelves. And so it’s just been crazy. We grew by 600 percent this past year. It’s our biggest year ever. And the reason why our company is growing is because the product actually works. [00:13:00] It’s one of those products that actually does what it says it’s going to do.

So I think that’s, you know, why we’re growing. It’s been word of mouth. We don’t really do advertising. We don’t have a PR company. We just got social media in the last three months. So we’ve only been doing social media. Which I know that sounds ridiculous, but we’ve just been growing by word of mouth so well, we haven’t had to do a lot of the other stuff.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Well, it is. It’s such a testament. There are very, very few products I try and, and I get sent products to try. There are very few. I will buy another bottle of, and whenever I share about face food, I always say like, this is my holy grail skincare product. I just cannot live without it. I will be using it forever.

Um, and it’s, there’s very, very few products that I have like that, that I will just keep buying over and over and over.

Michael Zenn: Well, you know, our products are edible. We don’t encourage people to eat them, but you could, it does make it awesome for pregnant moms [00:14:00] and nursing moms. And, you know, when you go through pregnancy, it’s one of the hardest times in your skin.

A lot of women get melasma. Breakouts and all kinds of skin issues and there’s really nothing they can do about it if they want to if they’re conscientious and they have a good doctor like no, you’re just going to wait 18 months and then you can deal with your skin, but we get rid of melasma, you know, and certainly breakouts and, you know, it’s a great when you’re pregnant.

That’s the time. Probably you want your skin to look the best. And so we have a lot of pregnant women using our product around the world. Uh, we are a hundred percent plants, so there’s nothing in our product that’s not a plant. We’re just extremely rare. We’re up to 200 botanicals now, which is really unheard of that a company is actually using 200 botanicals in their product.

We’re also handmade, you know, we fly in our greens from all over the world. Just about every continent except for Antarctica. There’s seven different rainforests. [00:15:00] Our ingredients are sourced around the world. We fly them in, we mix them by hand, pour them by hand, blend them by hand, low heat, nothing over 107, so that it has all of its enzymes.

It’s actually a living art piece of work. All of the enzymes intact. Whole food blending, we make it in small batches. So if you go to our website right now and by product, it’s less than seven days old. It may have been made today. Mm. Uh, certainly less than 30 days old. If you go to Sephora or Nordstrom’s or your local beauty counter, most of those products are a year to three years old and, uh, maybe older, and they’re not gonna break down.

Mm-hmm . The people who load them with preservatives, and we have no preservatives. Our, our products are self preserving. And so it’s a, I call it the Bentley of skincare at Mercedes prices, but, so it’s not cheap, but it should be, it should be a lot more [00:16:00] actually. When you look at what we do, what goes into it, it’s efficacy, it’s org rating.

You know, we have the highest order grading in the world, which is the only scientific scale in the world around anti aging, anti oxidants. We could talk more about that, but I’m sure you have questions. I just keep going. I can keep going.

Leigh Ann: Well, I want to, I do want to pause on two points there because I think they’re points that are easy to miss if you’re, if you’re just sort of listening vaguely.

It’s not that herbal based food is plant based. You guys are 100 percent herbal. There is nothing that is not a living plant in your product. And that is such a key distinguishing factor. There are, first of all, this term greenwashing, right? Where there’s so many companies now slapping labels on their products.

Natural. Plant based and, and maybe there are some plants in it, but it’s mainly chemicals, mainly synthetic chemicals. So it is so unique and rare that herbal face [00:17:00] food is 100 percent plants. And then this leads us perfectly into the Oryx scale and the plants that you’re sourcing, where you’re sourcing them from.

So let’s dive into the Oryx scale a little bit for those who’ve never heard of it and how that guides what botanicals you’re choosing to put in the product.

Michael Zenn: Yeah, let’s go back briefly to what you just said. So if you go down to Sephora or Nordstrom’s or you’re going to see all these products that are plant based, you know, they’re all piggybacking on this green, clean movement.

Most of them are green, clean, just start, just read the first 10 ingredients. And if they are green, clean, they’re not very potent. They don’t do much more than moisturize the skin. And so today I call it the skincare dilemma. Most women and men have to choose between something that’s green and clean. That really doesn’t do anything.

It’s impotent. Um, or a product that chemical product, they may get them a short term result. [00:18:00] It’s not going to be longterm. It’s going to be diminishing returns and it’s damaging the skin. And it’s also poisoned the body. And that’s a deal. That’s the dilemma. Do I go with something? Yeah, green clean that doesn’t do anything or do I go with the chemicals?

And that’s where we come in. We’re green clean on green steroids. Okay. Well, you’ll find that how you try. Yeah. We’re not your grandmother’s green clean product. And we really are. We’re beyond, we’re beyond green clean. We don’t even see ourselves as a green clean product. Company, you’ll get results. We take on the 10 most visible signs of aging, fine lines, wrinkles, skin texture, pore size, hyperpigmentation.

Then we jump up to the cure does all that goes way beyond. It takes on acne, rosacea, eczema, psoriasis, melasma, and I could go on and on scarring. And so why? How is that? How is it that we can have all botanicals be edible? And be so powerful and do so [00:19:00] many things at once. How is that? Well, it goes back to the auric scale.

So if you want to know how to slow down, stop, or turn back the time of aging on your face, the only word you need to know really is antioxidant. 95 percent of aging is oxidation. Oxidation is like rusting. It’s like, um, if you cut an apple, you put it on the counter. You’ve maybe you’ve had that experience.

It starts turning brown within minutes and within hours. Certainly, if you put, let’s say, vitamin C, you put a lime and lemon on that apple. You can try this at home It’s not going to turn brown for a while. Okay, why is that? Because lime, lemon, those are antioxidants, vitamin C. Well, vitamin C is actually one of the weakest antioxidants in the world.

And we’ve tested it on the org scale. It’s ubiquitous in skincare. So if you go down to [00:20:00] Sephora, for example, you’re going to see vitamin C, vitamin C, vitamin C. It is an antioxidant, but it’s a very weak one. And

Leigh Ann: also, let’s, let’s note that the vitamin C in most skincare is a synthetic vitamin C, ascorbic acid.

Michael Zenn: Right. It’s not even from a plant. It’s

Leigh Ann: not even the highest antioxidant.

Michael Zenn: No, right.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. And

Michael Zenn: so on the org scale, vitamin C ranks around a hundred thousand or less. I would say less. Our product is 35 million on the org, and we have singular plants, botanicals that are in the millions all by themselves. And so.

The reason why our product kicks butt, it has the most powerful antioxidants that stops that browning, which is called oxidation or another word for oxidation is aging. So antioxidants equals anti aging. So all you really need to do is find out what the, what are the highest rating antioxidants in the world and get them on your face and get them in your body.

So that’s what we did. So we said, let’s build the [00:21:00] most powerful antioxidant product in the world. And we did, and we have, and no one’s, no one in the world is formulating on antioxidants or the Oryx scale. We’re the only ones, and it happens to be the only scale in the world that measures antioxidant capacity or power.

And so it was just a matter of trying to find the most powerful antioxidants in the world and start formulating, and we’re still looking. We’re finding new ones all the time that have been recently tested on the Oryx scale. You know, massive ones. And, you know, some of the ones we have in there like astaxanthin, which is in the millions on the auric.

It’s one of the highest ever tested. Astaxanthin is what gives our product. It’s not the only one, but it gives our product that orange red hue. And what we found was the most powerful antioxidants in the world have that hue. Clove is the highest ever, has that orange red hue. Another one is dragon’s blood, which is not real dragon’s blood, but it’s from a tree.

When you, when you slice into the tree, The SAP is bright red. So it looks like it’s [00:22:00] bleeding and they call it dragon’s blood. It’s in the millions and we have a number of others. Uh, so the, one of the things you’ll see when you look at our products, you’re going to see a lot of our products, that tent, the stronger they are, the more powerful they are.

We use more astaxanthin in our products than any company in the world. You know, we came across astaxanthin and we’re like, Is this being used in skincare a lot? They said, you know, it is, but it’s not very much. People don’t put it in there because they don’t want that hue. And I said, well, I don’t care about that hue, you know.

And so when you look at our product, you’re looking at a product. It’s not colored, it’s, there’s no coloring in it, there’s no scent added. It’s just the plants in all their glory. It’s how they come. We just, you know, we want to get the most powerful plants. I mean, we want to get out of the way. Don’t change them.

You know, can you change the scent? No, we can’t. I’m sorry. You know, can you change the color? No, I’m sorry. We cannot. We want the plants to have their full power. And so when you get that [00:23:00] smell, it’s different. It’s a different smell. You’re going to smell with any other product in the world. We call it, you know, Breathe Your Therapy because it is therapy.

We have the 12 rarest plants in the world. Many of them are euphorics, Fragipani, Tuberose, Rosato. These are 2, 500 an ounce and, uh, when, when they become exposed to the air, they become airborne and you inhale them and they actually bypass the brain barrier. And they go right into your brain and give you a sense of euphoria.

And I’m not saying you’re going to get high on it. I’m just saying, you’re going to get this sense of all is well on earth and you’re going to sigh. You’re going to just go, ah, like that because it is there. It’s another function of this product that people talk about. Michael, I put it on, I sleep better at night.

I’m not stressed during the day. And then, and it’s, there’s real [00:24:00] science behind that. And so all of that is in these bottles, beautiful bottles that we hand make all of that love and affection and power is in the, in those bottles. But anyway, you’re good. I think I did cover the Oracle sale, right? So no one else is doing that.

I don’t know why I don’t really care. I don’t mind being the only one in the world because there really is no creativity or you Uniqueness in the skincare industry today. It’s all most of the smoke and mirrors marketing, you know, flashy things It’s sad, but true. Yeah

Leigh Ann: So one of the products on my 2024 holistic holiday gift guide is the higher dose infrared pemph mat I know i’ve talked about this before but this is Truly one of the products I use every single day, multiple times a day.

It is such a staple in my routine, and a couple of the things I love most about it are Number one, the infrared heat, which is so different from just a [00:25:00] normal heating pad Because normal heating pads, the heat doesn’t really penetrate deeper than a few layers of skin. Whereas infrared heat can really penetrate at a cellular level.

Meaning if you’re using it to actually heat your body up, it really is going to heat you up from the core, but also it can aid in a little bit of detoxification. And then the PEMF, the pulsed electromagnetic frequencies in this mat, they have a couple different options. And so in the morning, I use the PEMF frequency for energy to kind of wake up, get my system going.

In the afternoon, I might use the grounding frequency that kind of replicates the same frequency you would get if you were going to be grounding on the earth’s surface. And then they also have like a beta theta frequency that helps slow you down that I’ll put on at night And then oftentimes during the day after workouts if I’m feeling a bit run down, I’ll use the cellular recovery Frequency, so I am literally on this thing every day Two, if not three times a [00:26:00] day, and it is one of my absolute favorite products.

Sometimes I travel with it, but if I was, you know, if I ever lost it, I would be replacing it immediately because it’s such a staple in my routine. So I’ll put a discount code below. I know Higher Dose is having a Black Friday holiday sale. That’s coming up pretty quick. I’ll put the code below. Maybe even the dates are coming up.

Um, and then check out the rest of the Holistic Holiday Gift Guide for some more gift ideas for loved ones and yourself. Well, and you know, it’s so funny, earlier, I think it was earlier this year, I saw such a beautiful quote that the, the vibrational frequency and resonance of authenticity is four times higher than love.

And I think that’s, Speaks to herbal face food in a number of ways. The product itself is so authentic because it’s not corrupted. It’s so, you know, whole and unique and organic, but it [00:27:00] takes an authentic person to build an authentic brand, to build an authentic product. And I really think that all comes back to you and speaks to the authenticity that you bring that starts from the top.

Michael Zenn: Yeah. We, we, we built this out of love. You know, I wrote the book out of love when I wrote that book. It changed my life, and I cried over it. I would write for hours a day, and I would literally cry. I would be shocked at the information I’m learning and laughing about the things and but, but mainly thought about what it’s going to do to people when they read it, and we’re going to give that book away to everybody on the live.

So I’ll just say, you know, if you’re watching this podcast, just go to our Instagram. Herbal Face Food Instagram. Put in there that you were on this podcast with Leanne. I’d like to get a free copy of the book and we’ll tell you how to get there. There’s no strings attached It’s just for you but it’s a book about How to take control of your own [00:28:00] health and you have to um, I had to we all have to it’s a very simple read I call it a not a health book for non health nuts.

And so it’s easy read. It’s lots of pictures on every page I call it guy friendly for that reason, and we have a lot of guys reading the book, because you know, guys can be kind of stubborn when it comes to healthy eating and, you know, taking control of their own health. And so we, it’s really guy friendly.

So get that book, give it to somebody, uh, over the holidays as a gift. And um, you know, it can really, it can change people’s lives. And so what happens with us, we give that book to everybody who buys a bottle. of herbal face food. So everybody gets a copy of the self health revolution and we get people that read it and they they just want to look younger.

They just were looking to get an anti aging product and then they email me, call me. Text me, they say, Michael, I [00:29:00] love your product, it’s changed my skin forever, but then we read your book, and now we clean out our refrigerator, we clean our cabinets, we’re doing your smoothie, we don’t get sick anymore, and you’ve changed our family.

and change our children and change my parents and, and then we’re changing other generations because that information is getting passed down, uh, to future generations. And, and that’s where we really get, I’m sure you do too, we get the most excited, right? Because now, yeah, we change their skin and that’s awesome.

We love that. But now we change their lives. And we also talk in the book, as you know, about forgiveness, we talk about gratitude, we talk about purpose and these other things. So the first part of the book is about what you’re eating. The second part of the book is about what’s eating you

Leigh Ann: and it’s all there.

Michael Zenn: It’s all there. And, uh, I know when I wrote, was writing the book. The last half was [00:30:00] more powerful than the first half. And so anyway, that’s what we’re trying to do as a company. We’re not, we’re trying to change people forever. We’re trying to help them dramatically change their life so they can live their purpose.

You know, they can actually become who they were meant to become on earth. And we all have a gift, you know, out of, How many billion people have lived on the earth? A hundred billion, whatever the number is. Everybody is, as you know, is totally unique. We have our own DNA. There’s not another replica of you on earth.

You have a song to play that nobody else can play.

Leigh Ann: Yeah.

Michael Zenn: And if you don’t play it, it will never, it’ll never be heard. It’s not going to be heard by somebody else. And I think that’s what people don’t understand. They’re too sick and tired hurt, you know, damaged to, to ever, to ever play it. And it’s a loss.

It’s a, it’s a loss. Mozart’s it’s a lost musical. It’s a lost, you know, you could go on and on and people don’t [00:31:00] realize that. And the more they play their song, the more they played their music, the more blessed the world is. And the happier life they’re going to live. And that’s what we’re really about.

You know, if you, if you want to ask what our company is really about, it’s about that.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Well, you’re, you’re taking me to a point that I was going to save till the end, but we’re here now, so I’ll bring it up. And it’s maybe kind of a selfish question, but others might. something from it as well. But I look at what you’re doing, what you’ve done just just in the last four years since I’ve known you with herbal face food, and you’ve gone so global, you’ve expanded 600%.

And a part of the question for me on a personal level as a small business owner wanting to have Global impact is how do you maintain the vision for such a big dream and in moments of doubt, or whoa, could I really, could it really be that big? Could it really have that much [00:32:00] of an impact or in those hard moments?

How do you keep that fire going? I’m, I told you I work with cancer patients. I, you know, I’m working on creating a cancer platform that is all about mind, body, and spirit healing, not just conventional oncology, right? Radiation, chemo cut the tumor out. It’s really about mind, body, spirit. What is cancer trying to communicate?

And. Every single person I get to work with individually, it’s such an honor, it’s such a gift to me to get to be a part of their journey, but I, you know, I want this to be something that is helping thousands and thousands of cancer patients worldwide, but that that feels really daunting and there’s a lot of those voices in my head that go.

Yeah, that’s nice, but like, don’t, you know, that’s not really gonna happen.

Michael Zenn: Yeah, I think there’s always those voices, and I really appreciate what you’re doing. I think it’s really, really important and necessary with cancer and other chronic illnesses [00:33:00] like cancer. And there’s not, you know, you get cancer, it’s not, It’s a death sentence for a lot of people, and the doctors may even tell you it is the, is the death sentence.

And then what they do for them, they give them radiation chemotherapy, and that’s like, it’s, that’s so antiquated that it holds treatment. And I really, I know some people need that treatment, but a lot of people don’t. And they have no alternative treatment, so it’s a real, there’s a lot of unnecessary death.

I mean, one of the things I say in my book, everybody has cancer. You get cancer every day. You have cancer cells in the body right now. The question is, how’s the body dealing with it? And if it’s weak,

Leigh Ann: it’s not being

Michael Zenn: fed. undernourished or overstressed, all these different things. It’s going to keep growing, but you can change that.

And there’s so many new therapies out there. So many doctors discovering, you know, all these new things that you can use and you need to get in touch with them and try those new things. Don’t just go with radiation [00:34:00] chemotherapy out of the box. That destroys your immune system. And they’ll tell you that you have to actually sign a waiver that you can’t sue them for killing you using radiation chemotherapy.

I mean, just think about that for a second. And it’s they have not evolved all these years and so, um, I appreciate what you’re doing. I think it’s so important mind, body and spirit and in fighting cancer and our products help too. We have a lot of cancer patients using our products. These super powerful nutrients, uh, and antioxidants, they do get absorbed into your blood within hours.

It’s in your organs in a few days. It’s circulating through your lymph system. So, it’s a way of loading your system from the outside in. You’re eating through your skin all day long. 72 percent or more goes in. So, it’s a way of absorbing all this. And then, When people do go through radiation in chemotherapy and these treatments, it destroys your skin targets.

The fastest growing cells, your skins are one of is one of those. So your skin gets wiped out. [00:35:00] So if you have herbal face food

Leigh Ann: Yeah,

Michael Zenn: on your the skin. We also have a lot of people, they’ll put herbal face food on post-op, they’ll put it on pre-cancer, they’ll put it on post-cancer op on their skin. I have one of the top doctors in the world, Dr.

Christie Funk, who endorsed my book, who did Angelina Jolies. Breast surgery, just as many other people, they’ll put it on the sutures after the surgery. So I think we can help a lot of cancer patients. And then maybe if you know some patients that you’re working with, you know, we could even give them some free product, uh, to try that’d be, that’d be great to see how it helps them and maybe talk about that a little bit sometime.

Um, but your question was, how do you keep going?

Leigh Ann: How do you maintain the vision? When you have a big vision, you know, that a lot of people might be like, yeah, yeah, you’re just one person.

Michael Zenn: Yeah. I think it’s really massive action. You, you have to take massive action. You have to have something you believe in that you can’t stop.[00:36:00]

Even if you wanted to, you just have to keep going. Talking about it, keep doing it. You know, I always say, if you’re not doing your passion, some people say, well, I can’t do my passion because I can’t make money out of it. I’ve got to have this other job, blah, blah, blah. And I always say, if you’re not doing your passion, you’re losing money.

You’re losing lots and lots of money. So finding something where that keeps you up at night, can’t stop dreaming about it, you can’t stop thinking about it, you can’t stop talking about it, um, because it’s in you, it’s your baby, it’s what you believe in, it’s your vision, it’s your dream. If you have something like that, it’s almost impossible to stop, and you get discouraged sometimes, but You know, what I started doing was just talking and talking and talking, you know, I talked to in the last four years, whatever it’s been five years since we launched our creator program, I’ve talked to probably 20, 000 women and I’m in men and I’m talking about one on one, like we’re having this [00:37:00] conversation now all around the world.

And so I was talking to 10, 20 people a day or more that were influencers around the world. That’s how we built our business. And you know, the first thing we do is send them product. So we have these evangelistic conversations about the product and they get excited. I say, well, you have to, now you have to try it.

If you fall in love with it. Let’s partner up, you know, and that’s how we built the business. But I had to, I had to talk to all those women, you know, every day. And, uh, and I still do, you know, and not as much as I used to, but, but, you know, how many people are you willing to talk to? How many people are you willing to tell?

These things that you’ve learned, these things that you want to share with them, things that you believe in. And I would be just excited with the 10th call as I was with the first call.

Leigh Ann: Something I use myself often and recommend to clients often too, is [00:38:00] the Apollo Neuro Wearable Device. This is a wearable device that helps regulate the nervous system, has been proven to increase HRV, helps with sleep, focus, and a couple of things I really love about this device.

The Apollo wearable is it’s super inconspicuous. So it’s something you can have on all day at work, at home, wherever you’re going. And no, one’s really going to notice it. And I love that because a lot of the nervous system regulating devices out there or supportive devices out there aren’t. That practical you really have to do them at home or it’s not something you’d really want to be doing or using in public But the apollo wearable is so inconspicuous and easy And it uses vibration haptics that basically send these safety And regulating signals to the nervous system to allow for More focus better sleep calmer state [00:39:00] They have won so many awards for this product and I feel like there’s a million more things I could say about it So I’ll encourage you guys to check the show notes below for a link to learn more about the product.

I also have a discount code below and I think they probably have some holiday sales coming up as well. But it’s something I use very very often and I really feel like it has helped train my nervous system to have a lower baseline. My baseline is so much more regulated and likewise when I’m in a moment of stress or a day of stress or a week of stress, I make sure that I’m wearing my Apollo every single day just to give my body that extra support, those extra safety signals, without necessarily needing to think about it.

You can just put it on, set it in the app, and it’s going to go do its thing all day long. So check the show notes below. You can also check out the holiday gift guide where I list so many of my other favorite products for the year and also just products [00:40:00] that I use every single day or all the time.

First of all, thank you so much for sharing that. What I’ll say really quickly. And then I do want to use our last 10 minutes to talk about some of your more recent products. Um, but I, what I want to say is it’s very kismet, even what you’re saying of just how many people you spoke to in the last four years.

Already coming into 2025, one of the things I’ve been thinking about is. Wanting to be on podcasts to now speak about cancer and looking at emotional root causes to cancer and the work I do one on one. And so just even hearing you say that feels very much like the universe giving me that nudge of like, yes, you do need to start speaking about this on a bigger scale.

And also part of that is me, myself doing the work to feel worthy, deserving and safe being seen on a bigger scale too.

Michael Zenn: Well, you definitely deserve that. I don’t know you that well. I mean, we talked on the phone several times. But I, you’re a [00:41:00] very sincere soul, and you have a pure soul. I mean, I can feel it.

And you really care about people deeply, and that’s all you need. And people feel that, and they know that. And then you give them some technology that can really dramatically change their life, you know. Crystallizing the most important things you could say to someone or the most important thing you could do for someone and getting that down.

So when they talk to you, they know this is revolutionary. You know, what this, what this gal is telling me is revolutionary. And then they, they start telling people. I have people that talk to thousands of people now for me. They’re telling the same story and, and we’re doing something nobody else is doing.

So we have information and products that nobody else has, or very few people have. And so when they come across it, It dramatically changes their lives. They become lifers. So we have a lot of, we built thousands of lifers, true [00:42:00] believers that love us and we love them. They become raving fans and they start doing the work and spreading that.

But yeah, you do, you’re awesome. And I think, not that you’re not huge now, you’ve grown tremendously since I met you. You could be everywhere. You know, not that you’re looking to be everywhere. You know, some people do that because they want, you know, the power of the popularity, the money that comes from that.

Uh, but you want the impact. You want to look back at your life and say, how many people did I touch? How many people did I actually change? And that’s why you want to reach more people and you can do it. You just, and you look for things that work, you know, find something that really works and just stick with it.

It takes time to find what really works. Everything’s always changing. So we’re talking about Tik TOK now, you know, should we be on Tik TOK? You know, and that’s, that’s a new venue. And, and so you’re always trying to find new ways to reach more people with no money, you know, because you don’t have money to invest.

Now we have some money [00:43:00] now, you know, we have money now. I spent. 100, 000 this month on Instagram. Okay, that’s a lot of money. Yeah, we never did that before, but now when you do, then that makes it easier. Uh to reach more people, but I think just having this dream this fire Uh this information that you just have to tell people about and um And you you can’t stop talking about it and you find new ways to talk to more people And impact more people and I think that’s where it comes from and you know, I may have some days I don’t want to talk to anybody, you know, I may have some days or i’m tired of it, you know, i’m Burnout and, you know, you’ll have days like that, but you always come back to something that you really believe in.

You can’t stop doing it. Even if you wanted to, you can’t. You may take a break.

Leigh Ann: Yeah.

Michael Zenn: But finding that thing that means so much to you, you have to do it. Is I [00:44:00] think important. And people, a lot of people don’t get there. They don’t spend enough time thinking about it. Or they procrastinate. Most people procrastinate.

They have a dream, but they never really do anything about it. And they get discouraged. People say, no, don’t do that. You’re not, what do you know about that anyway? And you, I mean, I wrote a book. I never wrote a book before and people are like, how did you create these products? Where did you go to school?

And I’m I just, I just read 200 books and, and wrote my book, and then I learned all this stuff, all this information started coming to me, and then I started working with it. Let me try, let me see what I can do, and you’ll be amazed. It’s not that hard to be awesome when there’s so many people. People that aren’t trying to do something really awesome.

They’re just trying to create a product to get money, you know, their corporations, you know, and they don’t really care that much, to be honest, and they’re making money. So why would they change anything? And you can just [00:45:00] pop in, pop in there, do something magical just by trying. It’s not that hard actually in a lot of ways.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Oh, I love that. Well, thank you. That was really special for me. Okay. I, I can’t let you go without talking about, so what I’ll say for the audience is in our first conversation, we went really deep into the serum 1, 2, 3, and four and, um, the X cream or serum. The cure. The cure, sure. But you’ve since released the cream, the eye cream, the lotion, and the extreme cure.

So, right. I need a little bit of an overview on these. I have tried, I have the cream and the eye cream. The lotion is like brand new. I think you guys just released this maybe a week ago, maybe two. Right. Right. Yeah. I would love to hear a little bit more about that. And then also the extreme cure. I’d love to hear what are, how do we know if that’s right?

If we should be using that, let’s start with the [00:46:00] lotion.

Michael Zenn: So the lotion we created, it’s something for the whole body. It has, uh, 200 botanicals in it, more than any other product in the world. It’s a large size, so it’s 8 ounces. You can, um, put it all over your body. You can use it on your face too, so you could put it everywhere.

We don’t have a product like that. It’s also a lower price point, so you can get a lot of bang for your buck. 200 botanicals. Use it anywhere on your body. I think it’s going to, it retails around 150. But once you get your discounts, which you can get a discount from people, wonderful people like you who are elite creators around the world, but then you can sign up for a subscription and you continue that 30 percent off.

And so we wanted more people to have more access to our product because some people see our products and they’re like, Oh, you guys. You’re kind of expensive and we are more [00:47:00] than a lot of products on the market, but as we mentioned, we’re handmade, we’re super powerful, we have more ingredients than any other product in the world, we’re all plants, all these things we have that are so different from anything you’re going to find at Sephora, but we also give a money back guarantee, so even if you use the whole bottle and don’t like it, Thank you.

Uh, you can get your money back and we have like a 3 percent return rate, one of the lowest in the world. So it’s not really a risk for us to offer that to anybody. So your only risk really is not trying the product. So you can basically try the product for free if you want to look at that way. So. If you’re worried about the price, you’re worried about, is this really going to work?

Am I getting to get my money’s worth? Well, don’t worry about that because you’re covered. So just go ahead and get the product, get the larger sizes. You can go in and get those little 10 mils. Those are really just sample sizes. Get the 30 mil, get the 50 mil. and really see if the product can work. And I think the lotion is [00:48:00] going to help more people get the product in their hands, get these plants on their skin and make it more affordable for them in many ways.

Okay. So that’s the lotion. So we’re super excited about that. Like I say, it’s got everything in it and it’s, you’ll love it. You’re going to love it. We’re pre ordering right now because the product’s not, ready for launch. Now you can preorder will be shipping, I think next week. So go ahead and we’ve got tons of preorders coming in.

Okay. So then there’s the cure. The cure is extreme correction product. It deals with acne, rosacea, eczema, psoriasis, melasma, scarring, really anything breakouts. It’ll get rid of breakouts in less than a day. Typically, if you want to bump it up, let’s say you have melasma. And you really want to bump it up because Malaz is very difficult to get rid of.

Um, you want to go to the extreme cure. It’s four times the potency of the cure. So it’s, it’s much stronger, [00:49:00] much more, uh, spicy, that activating, tingly feeling. So don’t go there first. Okay, if you’re going to put it, if you’re going to use it on your skin, other parts of your skin, like something on your arm or your leg or your back of your hand, you can go right there.

But if you’re going to put it on your face, you probably don’t want to start there because our products, as you know, have that warm, tingly sensation. The more antioxidants it has, the more you’re going to feel that. So keep that in mind. Then we have, um, the cream, which you have been using a hundred botanicals.

I would call it the world’s most powerful moisturizer. A little bit will last for days on the skin.

Leigh Ann: That jar lasts so long.

Michael Zenn: Yeah, it does. It really does. Antioxidants, anti aging. It’s also got a 50 plus SPF, so it’s a, I, I call it the world’s first and only edible SPF. You can literally eat it. I have, and we don’t put anything in there.

These are the plants. These are plants like raspberry [00:50:00] seeds and other, um, extracts that have their own SPF. Uh, plants have to have SPF to protect themselves from the sun, just like we do. And some have a ton of them, and then you super concentrate them, you can really bump it up. And it really works. You know, I’ve been in Bali, I’ve been on the equator with these products, and I don’t get sunburned.

And, um, you can still use SPF over the top if you want, but you’re going to see a lot of, uh, and, and, and the other thing it does too, it actually heals if you’re, if you’re using our products, they’re going to protect you from the rays of the sun, but they’re also healing your skin in real time from the sun’s damage.

So if you got sunburn, you would want to put our products on your skin. You can actually see it getting rid of the sun damage. So what if you’re wearing them and you’re in the sun at the same time, it protects you from the damage of the sun, which is crazy. And then we have the eye cream, which we just launched last year, 200 botanicals.

It’s [00:51:00] overbuilt. It’s um, more botanicals you’re ever going to get in any other product in the world. If you find something with 200 botanicals, let me know. You won’t. It addresses the seven different types of skin around the eyes. So the eyelids, under the eyes. It also addresses eyebrows, eyelashes. Because it’s feeding them.

So we have tremendous stories now of women saying, Oh, my eyelashes are so much more thick. Because it, it helps those eyelashes recover and grow and repairs them and feeds them. It also addresses the eyeball. We said, Hey, it’s going to be around the eye. Why not put some botanicals that are designed to heal the eye itself and repair eye damage.

So we have botanicals like Ibrite, um, that is, is known around the world for healing the eye. It’s in the product. Now, you don’t put it in your eye. But you put it around your eye, it’s going to seep into your eye. And so go look anywhere you want to in the world, try to find an eye cream [00:52:00] that does all that.

You’re not going to find it. And it’s truly overbuilt. It is my favorite product now between the extreme cure and the cream, the eye cream, it’s amazing. So that’s our lineup now. And we are working on one or two other products. I can’t tell you about in the future, but you know, we don’t design, we don’t have a huge line.

We’ll never design a product that we don’t think is the best in the world, like a, like a game changer. We don’t get excited about coming out with something just to have, just to fill a gap.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. And

Michael Zenn: so that’s our philosophy.

Leigh Ann: Oh, I love that. Thank you. I’m so excited. I, like I said, I have the eye cream and the cream, the lotion is so new.

I haven’t even gotten to try it either. And I’m so excited. so stoked about that because it’s obviously going to be phenomenal. That’ll be so fun to try. And I’ll also just kind of remind the audience to go back and listen to our first conversation because we also in that conversation really break down the serum one, two, three, and then the [00:53:00] cure.

If it’s your first time trying herbal face foods, start with the serum one, and then you’re going to work your way up. But I do really want to encourage people to Go back, listen to that first one. Cause we break down some of your, your like foundational products. This conversation was more about some of your more recent products.

I

Michael Zenn: just want to say one thing too. We also have something called the Insider Club. So if you sign up for a subscription, you’re going to continue to get 30 percent off. We’re doing the, we’re doing the, the highest discount that I know of in the skincare industry for subscriptions. So when you look at that price on our product, you can.

Get 30 percent off of that just by signing up for a subscription. Then we have something called the insider club where you get points every time you buy product, every your birthday, you get points when you refer someone in there extravagant.

Leigh Ann: So

Michael Zenn: you, you’ll be shocked at how much reward you get from that program.

So if you’re loyal to us and you’re a true believer in your life or you’re going to keep using the [00:54:00] product, We’re going to reward you and you’re going to get discounts that other people aren’t getting. And it makes it a lot more affordable for some people who are stretching, you know, to pay for products that like this, that are more luxury type products.

So

Leigh Ann: yeah. Well, and it’s just, it’s going to be so worth it. And I think it’s one of those things that once you try, you’re, you’re going to be a believer and then you’re going to be like, Oh, this is a no brainer. So.

Michael Zenn: Right.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Oh my gosh. Well, Michael, thank you so much. It was so fun to get to see you face to face again and catch up a little bit.

Michael Zenn: I know. Well, I’m so proud of what you’re doing. You’re one of my favorite people of all of our careers around the world, believe it or not. Uh, and that’s, it sounds like I’m kissing up to you, but I’m not, it really, I really, I told Crystal the first time I talked to you. I said, she’s really special and, um, and I can’t wait to see what you’re going to do.

So keep going, keep making it happen. We’re so happy and proud and honored to be partnering with you. [00:55:00] And let’s do more stuff and we don’t have to wait four years. And then if you need, if you need product to give to some of these people you’re working with, let me know. We’d love to sponsor your work and help you with your work.

And along the way, so let us know what we can do, you know, to encourage you and help you reach more people.