The Accrescent Podcast Ep. 172. Dr Shivani Gupta – Ancient Wisdom for Modern Health w/Ayruvedic Principles for Daily Living

Leigh Ann: [00:00:00] Hello, happy new year everyone. Welcome back to the Accrescent Podcast. I’m your host, Leigh Anne Lindsay. Today is so fun because we have Dr. Shivani Gupta on the podcast and this episode I think is the perfect episode to start the new year with because we are going over Ayurvedic principles for basic daily living for everyone.

These are general routines, rituals, That are great for everyone, no matter who you are, no matter what you’re going through. I was eating this up. So many of the things that her and I talked about in this conversation, I have started doing since talking with her. And they have been so profoundly impactful.

One of the big ones was in Ayurveda, They don’t eat and drink liquids at the same time and since our conversation i’ve tried that And it has actually been so game changing for my gut health. I genuinely feel like [00:01:00] it has reduced The bloating I would experience by like 90. It has been such a game changer So there are so many wonderful just principles and practices of daily living that I think will be really great to start the new year off with.

But to get into Dr. Shivani a little bit more, she is an Ayurvedic practitioner, an expert in fusing Eastern and Western practices that help our bodies achieve equilibrium. She completed her master’s in She’s a master’s in Ayurvedic Sciences and her PhD on turmeric. Inflammation is a root cause for many health issues in her lives.

Her passion is teaching at home remedies to reduce inflammation naturally, that help you have more energy, less brain fog, less pain, and ultimately achieve vibrant health. Dr. Shivani Gupta has practiced Ayurvedic medicine for over 20 years, and her approach is to show you the tools in your toolkit. So you can reach for them every time you need them.

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Well, Dr. Gupta, I know you said, call you Shivani, but I’ll start with Dr. Gupta. Welcome to the Crescent podcast, the Crescent community. I’m so excited to have you on today. Thank you. Thanks for having me. It’s going to be so great. I haven’t years ago, I think in 2020 during the pandemic, I had an Ayurvedic practitioner on to talk about, honestly, it was, COVID.

So we were talking about Ayurveda, the doshas during COVID and kind of how we can apply that right now. So it’s been a little bit since I’ve been able to talk about Ayurveda, how we can apply this to our day to day life. And then we’re for sure going to get into some tumerics since you [00:05:00] are so well studied in it.

But before we get into all of that, can you give us a little bit of your origin story, your history? How did you get a little bit to

Dr. Shivani Gupta: where you are today? Sure. So I grew up in Houston, Texas, an immigrant kid to a family that was living in two worlds. When we were here in the United States, it was you go to the pediatrician, you get your prescription, and that’s how you handle health.

And every year, every year or every other year, we were going to India to visit my grandparents, my cousins, my parents, siblings. And when I went to India, every time I got There was a completely different approach. My grandma would reach for spices and herbs and she’d make a tea or a tincture. And I was one of those kids who was chronically sick.

It was just always something. I was air sick, sea sick, car sick, or you sneezed and I went down for the count. And so by the time I got to my twenties, I was like, why am I the weak link here? How come everyone else when we’re on vacation actually gets to enjoy vacation and I’m always locked in the hotel room?

You [00:06:00] know, puking or dying. Like, what is this? And so finally I was so sick my freshman year of college and away from my parents. And I looked at my parents and I said, you know what? We have to try a different way. We happen to be in India that Christmas break. And I had been reading about yoga and Ayurveda.

And I was like, you know, I think that Ayurveda might have my answers. I think I have to fix my gut. I have to go figure this out. And so they humored me, thank goodness. And they were like, sure, let’s do it. And so we went on this quest all around India and I got to study at the different gurus feet and understand what is the science and how does it work?

And, and is it valid or is it just ancient and weird? And what’s cool is I fell in love with Ayurveda. Like Ayurveda was. profound. I healed my gut, I learned a completely new way of life, and it resonated so well and healed me that now I’m an evangelist of it. I just love teaching Ayurveda so that everyone can understand there are completely different approaches to managing our health and our well being.

Leigh Ann: Yes, I love it [00:07:00] so much, and it’s, it’s another lens To look through and just another way to kind of interpret things, interpret what you’re experiencing. And so I want to get into this a little bit deeper for those who have never heard. I guess, by the way, we should pause and also say that you have a PhD in tumeric.

Yes.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: Yes, I did my masters in Ayurvedic sciences after that because I wanted to write books on Ayurveda. And then my advisor was like, listen, you should get a PhD. If your plan is to teach the world, a PhD makes sense. What would be your topic? And I’m very into Ayurvedic pregnancy. Like, how do we manage pregnancy to lead to the most healthy, beautiful baby?

And I was simultaneously also really curious about turmeric because turmeric is such a powerful anti inflammatory. And I thought, wow, my whole family history is diabetes and heart disease and all these horrible things. That’s my genetics. I have to work hard for my health. Why aren’t we all using turmeric?

And so I ended up doing my dissertation on turmeric and just fell in love with what [00:08:00] turmeric and then all the super spices can do for our health.

Leigh Ann: Oh my gosh, I love it. We’re definitely going to get into that, but let’s start. I actually want to backtrack just for any who might be unfamiliar with the term Ayurveda, or maybe they’ve heard it in the ethers, but don’t really have a good grasp on what is it.

Let’s just start there with the foundations. For

Dr. Shivani Gupta: sure. So Ayurveda is a 5, 000 year old science from India. It’s an ancient wisdom where Ayurveda means the science of life. So it just teaches us an entire way of health, healing, and wellbeing. And it’s a sister science to yoga. So if you’re exposed to yoga, you know that yoga is not just the practice on the mat, but it’s a very spiritual understanding and way of life and mindset.

And so in the same way in Ayurveda, we’re really trying to show you how to live the most intuitive, happiest, healthy life you can to bring body, mind, and spirit into alignment. That’s really the ultimate goal. And so the sooner that we clear out all the stagnations and issues physically, then the [00:09:00] sooner we can clear a lot of things out mentally, emotionally that are, are hanging on that might be there from past lives, current life, who knows?

And then we can get to that spiritual vibration of pure joy and vibrant health that we all crave.

Leigh Ann: Mhm. And does it differ being in the world of holistic medicine? I would absolutely consider Ayurveda a part of that, but also how might it differ? And does it differ? Or do you feel like they’re pretty aligned in the approaches?

Dr. Shivani Gupta: You know, under this umbrella, the NIH has an umbrella called natural and alternative medicine, complementary and alternative medicine, medicine cam. Um, Under that umbrella is a lot of our integrative systems that we talk about, like homeopathic medicine, naturopathic medicine, uh, Reiki, medical massage, chiropractic.

These are all alternative fields of medicine. And so is Chinese medicine, traditional Chinese medicine, which includes acupuncture, is another entire system that was being built under the At the same time that Ayurveda was being built. And so they’re almost sister sciences in many ways, [00:10:00] because we talk about the elements, they talk about the elements.

We love turmeric, ginger, and our spices, they love theirs. And many of them are the same. They love ashwagandha, turmeric, ginger, like we do. Um, and so I, I consider all of these, beautiful approaches to our health that are oftentimes synergistic. Do we use different toolkits? Absolutely. But a lot of them are actually pretty much in common.

Like I don’t see much difference between naturopathic Ayurvedic and how we do things. Our mindsets are very similar. So I think it’s just different languages. for the same thing. Right, completely. We’re using different words for the same thing. Exactly. And we are so bio individual. We’re coming from different parts of the planet.

I find it so fascinating when we look at diet and some people are like, yes, carnivore works for me. And I’m like, that wouldn’t work for my system, but that’s so cool that you are getting those results. That’s so powerful. And so in the same way, I think we’re all on this journey looking for which system really supports us the best.

Leigh Ann: Completely. And [00:11:00] I, I love when practitioners encourage that, where it’s like, Hey, either if this is what you have access to right now, maybe it’s TCM, maybe it’s a naturopath. Great. Go with that. Or if it’s like, for whatever reason, Ayurveda resonates with you more than TCM. Great. Go with that. I think sometimes we get very caught in this.

Well, there is one best thing out there and I have to find it. But it’s more, I, I find I take more of the approach of what’s the best thing for me. Right

Dr. Shivani Gupta: now. Exactly. I think that is spiritual ascendance, right? Our spiritual ascendance is usually in a spiral. There’s no straight thought. So in the same way, our health is always in an evolution and we’re aging.

So we’re dealing with a different deck of cards every few years. So we have to adjust the plan. It’s not like one plan fits all. And it works on that one person forever. I’m now in my mid forties and I’m having to dig Into an entirely different toolkit [00:12:00] just to balance and hold the level of health that I want.

And even in functional medicine practitioners each year i’m shifting practitioners because i’m up leveling In terms of the next set of goals. And so I think like you said that’s so important

Leigh Ann: Yeah, and that there’s a level of responsibility that requires each of us as individuals to take of it’s so funny I I had a another guest interview a little bit before this earlier this morning and we were talking about Yeah, the black and white of, oh, okay, I guess I’m going to do this diet forever.

And this is the workout routine I’m going to do forever. Rather than bringing in more nuance of this is what my body, mind and spirit is resonating with right now. Right. And six months from now, a year from three years from now, it could be, in fact, it probably will be. Yeah, be different. Correct. But that requires a lot of responsibility on us as the individual to go, I am going to check in.

Yeah. Frequently and [00:13:00] not just like choose a workout routine. Choose a diet and

Dr. Shivani Gupta: never revisit it. True again. True. I think in modern day times, we’re taught that we can be prescribed something. We have this mindset of being prescribed, and that is true in western medicine. A lot of times when we’re. So sick, so unwell, or have something catastrophic and acute happen, we’re running to Western Medicine for solutions.

And they have. A very powerful toolkit to deal with that. But then the rest of us who are dealing with some chronic metabolic, something going on, some slowdowns in the system, there’s no perfect prescription. There’s this, like you said, constant tuning into self and asking, Hey, what’s the plan now? And what’s cool is in Ayurveda we teach about circadian rhythm and seasonality.

And how in this season as 44-year-old Shivani, I get to live within my four seasons in this way. And when I was 40, it was different. And when it, when I’m 50, I’m quite certain now it’ll be different. And that’s okay. It’s it’s, that’s kind of the joy of it. I can’t, I meet so many [00:14:00] people who are like, I eat my salmon and salad every day, 365 days a year.

And I’m like, that is not what we teach. We teach so much. reverence for nutrient density and nutrient variety. And I agree that that’s harder because so many of us just want, what’s the plan? I’ll just win the plan, make my life easier in this category. But I find that we’re kind of sucking all the joy and all the happiness and all the love out of these things that are meant to be nourishing to us.

Leigh Ann: And that’s

Dr. Shivani Gupta: why we’re so malnourished. We’re lacking in nourishment in every area and every level of our tissues from physical, mental, emotional, all the way up to spiritual because of this prescriptive approach we’re taking.

Leigh Ann: Completely. And you know, me coming from the emotional subconscious side of it, I think there’s a wound that we’re inflicting on ourself by not tuning in.

There’s an inner self who maybe is sort of silently gently saying, Hey, this, this isn’t what I need in this season. But because we’re not tuning [00:15:00] in that, that message is going unheard for months and months and months. And that’s a wound. Yeah, to our inner self to ourselves. And so it’s not just, Oh, we, you know, let’s tune in to support our physical body.

It’s let’s tune in to honor and nourish and attune to our emotional and spiritual selves too. Absolutely. So now take us through maybe even more of the foundations of Ayurveda. I know there’s a million places we could go with this, right? Like gut health through the lens of Ayurveda, pregnancy. I know there’s a couple of things I we had in the notes of circadian rhythm, inflammation, sleep, maybe some more of these general things that we can all connect with, but also maybe just give us the premise.

You spoke a little bit already to it’s very much about Seasons and living seasonally. Can you say more to that? And also what are some of the other foundational principles? Sure.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: So the six pillars of [00:16:00] Ayurveda that I like to teach are first, the doshas or the individual mind body constitutions. What are those elements from nature that are driving you to You, your mental health, your emotional health, your physical health.

So the doshas or mind body constitutions is always the first thing that we’d like teaching in Ayurveda, because that gives you so much understanding of self. And once you have that inner wisdom, you can intuitively balance your doshas yourself throughout the day. And so dosha quiz on my website that people can take just to get that first piece.

And then once you understand your elements and what’s driving you, then I think it’s so important to understand circadian rhythm. And circadian rhythm is a concept from Ayurveda, where we taught that we are meant to rise with the sun, set with the sun. And nowadays, thanks to the biohacking world and functional medicine world, we’re learning a ton about sleep.

And all it’s doing is validating what Ayurveda always said, which is we are, we are natural beings. We’re meant to be in rhythm with nature. We’re not meant to defy nature. [00:17:00] it’s in the defiance of nature that we create dis ease. And so having that understanding is so important. So I do live a very seasonal life where I acknowledge the seasons, even though I’m in Florida, but it doesn’t really get cold.

In September, I decorate for fall and I eat, my diet adjusts for fall. I eat those fall foods. Same with the winter season. And just honoring the seasons is such a beautiful way to give us those seasonal rest times that we need instead of charging at the year 100 miles an hour all the way through. And for example, out of the doshas, I’m a pitta, which means I’m more fire.

So the summer season, if I don’t watch out, I can easily burn out. And so I always take that summer season and make sure I travel, I relax and I don’t go full force because I will always see the backlash of that if I do that.

Leigh Ann: And then another

Dr. Shivani Gupta: huge pillar we have in Ayurveda is gut health. Ayurveda is obsessed with gut health.

Oh, okay. Yeah. And we teach that gut health is the center of all health and we call it the digestive [00:18:00] fire or Agni. And so we teach them that fire within you is the center. of your brain health, your mental health, your emotional health, your physical health, of course, your immune system, everything ties to the strength and the power of that digestive fire being balanced and keeping it balanced and keeping it strong.

So there’s so much in our toolkit around gut health itself, which is cool because now the modern day time is talking about gut microbiome and, and the gut access, gut brain access. So the fact that modern day science is proving All of what Ayurveda taught is really fun to watch from the Ayurveda perspective.

Yeah. And then finally, I teach a lot about sleep, a lot about the circadian and Ayurvedic diet based on your dosha. I teach about self care rituals that we can do daily that are detoxing and very beneficial for us as a rhythm. And then finally, I teach super spices, benefits of turmeric, benefits of ginger, because I think the more we use those spices to reduce inflammation that we have in modern day times.

The more [00:19:00] supported we are in building health across All the dimensions.

Leigh Ann: Okay. And I’m taking notes, by the way. So we have six pillars, the dosha is gut health.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: Which is also, I put sleep into circadian rhythm. I teach the self care rituals. Okay. I teach the Ayurvedic diet, which is also called the Sattvic diet. It means like a very yogic diet. Where we’re meant to just really nourish ourselves with love. And the vibration we have is built based on that food that we eat.

And then my final pillar, I call super spices. Cause I think they’re super spices. The new super food.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Okay. I love it. Perfect. Let’s get into some of these. And I mean, I know we could probably spend the whole episode talking about just each of these pillars. So I, you know, we might try and bounce around.

I do want to ask though, a little bit more first on living seasonally. And you already spoke to eating seasonally, [00:20:00] and I’m, I’m so lucky because we have some local farms and local farmers markets here that I do my grocery shopping. So it’s kind of easy for me because I just know like, I only buy what’s at these places that is being grown locally and in season, um, versus when you shop at the grocery store, you kind of have everything all year round.

But I also really would love to hear you speak more to what does it look like to live seasonally with work, with relationships, with activities and whatever, whatever that looks like.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: True. So, you know, it’s interesting if you look at your year, Typically in business, we divide it into quarters and we think of our quarterly business goals leading to our annual business goals.

Some people live on, you know, accounting system years too, but when it comes to your year, I really look at it as what is going to fuel me the best. to give me the year that I want. And so once I understood the doshas, the mind body constitutions, what we teach is in the winter season, [00:21:00] we’re in gafa season.

That’s a heavier season. You’re going to typically hibernate in the winter, especially if you live in a really cold place, you’re going to stay in more, the sun sets earlier. And so during that winter season that we kind of start the year with, it’s actually important to rest, recuperate, almost be in shadow a little bit.

Like you’re going to heal thyself and stay a little bit more inwards, not so outwards. And that’s nature already dictating that somewhat. That’s also a choice because a lot of us could take the holidays and just do whatever we want nowadays, because we have electricity. We have a lot of access to do whatever we want, but taking the winter sign.

winter season to hibernate and really recuperate is the best way to then transition to spring. And in spring season, we’re meant to actually detox. That’s why we talk about spring cleaning, spring detoxes. Ayurveda teaches that the intersection of seasons is the best time to detox and clean and clear any of the after effects of the previous season and set yourself up successfully [00:22:00] for the next season.

Leigh Ann: And so that

Dr. Shivani Gupta: next season you’re meant to just clear, detox, enjoy your spring season. And spring going into summer is when we transition into pitta time of year. That’s the fire time. It’s burning hot. So if you’re someone who already tends to run hot, you have a fiery personality, you You tend to run inflamed, have heartburn, have like volcanic reactions to things, or always hang green.

That makes you a Pitta person. And Pitta people should travel only to cooling places in the summer. We’re not meant to travel where it’s burning hot. So you could time your travel around your seasons and what supports you the most to really rejuvenate. You can time your work accordingly. I work really hard from January through May and then I hit a wall right around Memorial Day and I tell my team, I’m leaving at Memorial Day.

I’m going to check out for a few weeks. You got to give me some space. And that’s where as a visionary, I take a little time to go work on my projects. Why? Because I need to stay cool, calm and inside. I’m not meant to run around in the heat. So really acknowledging the [00:23:00] seasons and then blocking the time.

physically into your calendar in that way can be a very powerful way to rejuvenate. So this way, this year, for example, I went to Italy and I just relaxed before I got hot, came back, enjoyed the rest of the summer. And then summer going into fall is actually a very interesting seasonal transition. So summer into fall, we’re switching into Vata time of year.

That’s a very air time of year. And so when you have the fall winds that come and the leaves that fall, a lot of times we feel burnt out, overwhelmed. After the summer, that’s another important time between spring and, uh, between summer, fall, actually to do a detox, any light detox for a week, just take a week and clean and clear out your life.

Maybe you give up all inflammatory foods. And I evade that we have lots of different types of detoxes, like kitchardy detox and different things we can do using different porridges and foods and spices, but switching into fall season, rested and detox is important. So you’re supportive for your fall winter season.

And so anytime I hit [00:24:00] this month, December, and I’m overwhelmed and there’s too much happening, I’m like, where did you not take the right breaks and pauses and where do you need to take one right now so that you’re supported going into this next Christmas, new year season or whatever that season is coming up.

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Yeah, it’s the last few years, it’s really struck me how odd it is that we celebrate New Year’s in the dead of winter. And there’s this, you know, there’s this energy around it. I, I, um, was with a Persian man for many, many years and they celebrate the lunar new year, which is really basically the start of spring.

And there’s something about that, that feels so much more resonant versus We’re in the dead of winter and we’re supposed to be setting all these New Year resolutions and like hitting it hard at the gym and yeah, so counter.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: Season. It is. It is. And I find a lot of people, like, have you ever seen those memes that come out February 1st?

It’s like, okay, now we’re starting the new year. And I laugh because I’m like, yeah, we’re kind [00:27:00] of still hung over from the holidays. Like we’re not, we’re not ready to, to shift our energy in that way. Come January 1st, like you’re saying. So maybe we should all do a big petition and move New Year’s.

Leigh Ann: Oh my God.

I would love that. I think it just makes so much more sense for our constitutions to be like, to your point, winter very much feels like a time of going inward, slowing down, doing a little bit less. And weirdly, for many, many of us, at least, especially here in the U. S., it tends to be one of the busiest times of years where we have the most parties, the most engagements, the most things on our to do list.

Yeah. Um, setting, if you’re a business owner, setting your goals for the new year, coming up with your plan. And it just, I, I feel like rebelling against it a little bit.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: I totally get that. I agree with you. Let’s both make it our new, new years in the spring. Yeah,

Leigh Ann: yeah, yeah. We’ll have our own New Year party in [00:28:00] the spring.

I love that. So now let’s look at kind of day to day life. How can we, what are some of the general principles of day to day life? Maybe living in a circadian rhythm, sleep. What are some of the Ayurvedic principles that we can bring into our day to day life to support better sleep? And then I do want to spend some time on gut health since it’s such a foundational pillar, but let’s start with sleep.

there. Sure.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: So, you know, Ayurvedic self care daily rituals is where I think Ayurveda shines the most. Ayurveda has said so much, but so much of modern science has come in and said, yes, that’s validated. So, so much of us know a lot about gut microbiome and sleep and these things, but most people have not heard of the Ayurvedic self care rituals still, which kind of shocks me.

So, the first ritual is when you wake up in the morning, first thing we, We take a moment and just tune in and set our intention for the day. So I touched the ground, touch my forehead. And my intention is always, please, can I have peace? Because I’m a mom and an entrepreneur. And the [00:29:00] one thing I need more of always is peace.

So I put that into my field. Let’s just, can I have peace today? And then as I start. We recommend having a glass of water next to your bed and starting your day with hydration. Why? Because we are obsessed with everyone having a daily bowel movement, if not more than one. And in America and in the West, we all tend to run constipated in this day and age.

And so our whole morning is planned around making sure you go to the bathroom. So hydration, if you need support to get things moving, once you start walking around, brush your teeth. But after you brush your teeth, we recommend using a copper tongue scraper. So do you use a tongue scraper?

Leigh Ann: Um, my toothbrush has a little tongue scrape on the back of it.

I don’t know if that’s, you know, worse than a copper one, but I do scrape my tongue, but not with the copper.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: Nice. At least you do it. So we recommend taking a copper tongue scraper or metal tongue scraper. There’s a lot of steel ones online, or I have a copper one on my website, and you just gently scrape the tongue seven to 14 times.

Don’t go too far back. You don’t want to gag yourself. [00:30:00] But in Ayurveda, what we’re teaching is that all the organs of the body are reflected on the tongue. Just like in reflexology, they’re all reflected on the bottom of your foot. And so this is one of those habits that once you start it, you’ll miss it if you don’t do it.

Sometimes I’ll brush my teeth and run and I’ll be like, wait, I forgot something. Oh, I didn’t scrape my tongue. So you’re scraping the tongue to gently massage all those organs, detox them, because we’re all about detoxing the body of anything that’s accumulating that doesn’t belong. And you’re also clearing off your taste buds and you’re also.

you’re supporting gut health. It ignites the digestive fire to scrape the tongue gently. So it’s really like a five second, 10 second habit, but it gives you so many benefits so that later when you hit those intersection of seasons that I talked about, you’re already so detoxed. There’s not as much to do.

which is really nice. When I go to detox nowadays, my body’s like, we’re good. Just cut the chocolate. We’re good. Don’t eat chocolate every day after dinner. Like that was your only habit you picked up. That wasn’t great. Other [00:31:00] than that, we’re doing great. It’s important to, to detox daily. And that’s one of those habits.

And then another one from IRV that is oil pulling, tablespoon or two tablespoons of oil. Ayurveda always loved sesame oil, but now there’s a lot of conversation around seed oils. So I recommend coconut oil is also a great one. And so you can take about a tablespoon or two of oil, put it in the mouth, swish it around for five to 20 minutes.

That sounds weird and it sounds like a long time, but there are oils nowadays that they’ve made to taste minty. So we don’t think of it as much as a weird habit. And then once you’ve switched it around, you could be doing anything. You could shower, get ready, make your morning coffee. There’s a lot you can do while you’re oil pulling.

It’s like a good double tasking, multitasking habit. And then when you spit that out, make sure you spit it out in the trash, not your sink, toilet, or shower, or you will clog the pipes of your home. And the goal in oil pulling is you’re really collecting all the bacteria and gunk in your mouth that accumulated overnight and getting rid of it.

Your oral microbiome starts in your mouth and that’s the [00:32:00] beginning of your gut microbiome. So the more we support oral health, the more we’re supporting gut health to be online, accurate, functioning, releasing the correct enzymes for our food. Also, we don’t want any gunk here to end up in the gut, and then we have to deal with it.

So I love oil pulling as that next habit. And then from there in IRV that we would have recommended yoga, morning stretches, morning walk in nature, having a beautiful, healthy, warming breakfast. What I find here in the West, a lot of us at that point run to work. So So weekend and you can have that beautiful morning ritual practice.

That’s great. Otherwise I’ve shifted a lot of the rituals into my evening rituals. And I teach that in the evening we can do our dry brushing. We can do a habit called a Pyong massage of human massage is doing a full body massage for yourself using oil, like sesame oil. And that’s so nourishing. It grounds any, but that energy, any of that chaotic tornado, anxious energy, we kind of emulate throughout the day, it grounds us for a better night.

[00:33:00] sleep. And it’s also so great for our skin and our joints. Like so many people who’ve picked up that habit, they come to me and they’re like, can you guess that I’m in my sixties? And I’m like, no, I can’t. Good job. So, so that habit can be a really beautiful grounding ritual, but it also helps us stay more youthful and keeps the joints more supple and oiliated as well.

Leigh Ann: Is there any kind of like guided video for that massage? Or where, where could someone learn how to do that? Yeah. You should make one for us. Make

Dr. Shivani Gupta: one. I’ve never made one like that. Yeah. Yeah. It’s simple. You take oil, preferably you warm it and you rub it on your body from your feet all the way to your neck.

And then Indian women also do a head oil massage once a week. So we put that oil into our hair and either leave it in for like 30 minutes to an hour or we sleep with it in our hair to make our hair thicker and healthier.

Leigh Ann: I love that. I want to ask some more specifics, but I want to pause and take, well, actually, were there more rituals after the oil,

Dr. Shivani Gupta: you know, after a massage, you can [00:34:00] either take a Epsom salt bath.

That’s one thing I do a lot to also just ground my energy at the end of my day and as an investment into better sleep. Or you can just take a hot shower but try not to wash all that oil off because we consider ayurvedic oils very Medicinal very healing so we kind of want to leave that a little bit in so that it keeps soaking into the body And then before bed, you know people can do journaling meditation Meditation and yoga is a part of ayurveda.

So anytime we’re going to recommend, uh the lifestyle Our goal is going to be, you know, stretch a little bit before bedtime because a lot of times we’re holding a lot of tension and then that tension is going to affect our sleep

Leigh Ann: and do

Dr. Shivani Gupta: legs up the wall or a few gentle stretches, then that’s really beautiful.

And then I love tea before bedtime as my sleep hygiene ritual to switch from day into night. And so I, I’ve actually developed a whole deep sleep tea with. Ashwagandha and Pramana and cardamom just to settle the mind and settle the digestive system [00:35:00] so that we can get a better night’s sleep.

Leigh Ann: Oh, I love all of this so much.

What I want to pause to really highlight here is it’s ritual, not even routine. It’s ritual. And this is something in the depth psychology program I’m in. Ritual is so, So ritual and reverence are like the foundation of everything we do. And I think that’s really important because I, I work with a lot of cancer and chronic illness, individuals, clients, patients, and I, I resonate.

And I acknowledge that for many of them, they are given. So many routines and so many things they have to do every single day, that it does become very mechanical. And okay, now I do my sauna. Now I take these supplements. Now I go on my walk and I get it. And especially when you’re in a deep treatment phase, sometimes it does become that way.

But what I hear in this [00:36:00] is It’s really like these underlying principles of living in ritual, living in reverence every day. And these, these things we do kind of at the start, at the bookend of our days, help us just ground into that for a moment. Exactly.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: And I think of it so much as self love. I think so many times we’re so wrapped up.

I know for myself, I get wrapped up into social media. I have a team. They’re pushing at all times. They’re like, this is your content on YouTube day. Be ready. And I’m like, okay, it’s like so many moving pieces and the children and their schedules trying to raise a healthy household around here. Um, and so if I don’t start my day and end my day with an act of self love, I’m almost, my energy is dispersed into the ethers of everyone who wants my energy.

And so I really look at it as. me first. I’m here to be whole and healthy and hold my vibration. And these activities are [00:37:00] my way. These rituals are my way of building that wholeness before I give for the rest of my day and then come back to self. Because so many of us are not sleeping well. We’re not going to heal and rejuvenate if we don’t sleep well.

And so to me, Ayurveda has taught me that. How to sleep according to my circadian clock. We want everyone to sleep from 10 to two on that circadian clock. So we rejuvenate. So we get that brain health online and we detox properly.

Leigh Ann: Um, but

Dr. Shivani Gupta: I’m not even willing to give ourselves that then that’s why we’re always running on empty.

And so I really think of myself as treat your body like a Maserati. If you want to have a beautiful vehicle at the end of this that functions and works, the ritual is the key piece to that.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. And shifting the mindset a little bit again, like when maybe when we’re also that deep treatment healing phase for some is really intense and does sometimes need to be a little mechanical, but it’s not, uh, I have to do my nightly [00:38:00] massage.

It’s, Oh, this is something so loving I get to do for myself. And also, it’s not to say that this needs to be every day for the rest of my life. There’s room for nuance, but what is the baseline? If we can try and get that baseline as much as possible to be one of ritual and reverence, I think that’s going to be such a good place to start.

Absolutely. Absolutely. You can shift everything. Yeah. I want to ask a couple more specific questions. One, I really would love your input on meals, particularly. I’m, I’m really interested in breakfast, but also dinner. And I have a very specific question for you, which is I’ve noticed the last probably four months for me.

I can’t like, I don’t, I don’t feel well if I eat a full meal in the morning, which is very, it’s very different for me because usually breakfast is my biggest meal. Um, And so lately, I’ve just been having, I actually make a masala chai every morning with raw milk. [00:39:00] And, and I’ll have like my raw milk masala chai with, I add collagen to it.

So it’s still about 30 grams of protein, but I’ve just noticed recently, it doesn’t feel like I have been able to digest well. If I’m eating first thing in the morning, I, I feel like my gut needs a little more time to wake up. Sure. And I guess the question here is, is that a constitution or is that, um, something’s a little imbalanced.

You really should be able to eat a full meal pretty soon after waking. You know, we’re

Dr. Shivani Gupta: all so different based on, uh, do you know what your dosha is? I did the, I did a quiz like four years ago. I don’t remember. Okay. I would guess Bitta. Vata, if I had to take just a guess. I can’t see your whole self Yeah.

But, but I would’ve imagined that that’s where you would potentially land. Um, I do think that as we go through our different seasons, sometimes you can hit a season and be off like, I hit this winter season. And my body wasn’t ready for it. I was still trying to go full [00:40:00] throttle and it was just not working.

And I, I thought to myself, okay, you didn’t detox at your intersection of seasons. You didn’t take the time. Your body’s just demanding it from you now. So how would you like to address it? I had to kick my own digestive fire back into gear. So I started my mornings with ginger lemon tea. That’s an easy, simple tincture that kicks off digestive fire.

We know through modern science that ginger has such a powerful effect on digestive system, digestive enzymes, and those things. And I really love that one solution forever. Um, if I’m ever having constipation or my system doesn’t want to move in the morning, I’ll take one shot of aloe vera juice up to half a glass of aloe vera juice.

There’s a brand called George’s that I love that tastes like water. So I’ve been using that on everybody around me. Cause it turns out everyone’s having constipation issues in this moment of their life. And I’m like, I don’t know. That’s unacceptable guys. Let’s fix that first. I love your juice is my favorite first trick, but sometimes we do need an herbal or a hydration solution, hydration or pre caffeine.

[00:41:00] So even I myself have found sometimes I’ll hit green tea first and that’s not the right move. It was ginger lemon tea or something else first. But we can have different seasons where that digestive system slows down based on our dosha. So if vata is one of your doshas or you’re vata imbalanced, then going into this fall winter, You could have just been so disrupted by the Vata season that your body’s like, I’m dried out.

I’m not going to function the way you want me to. I’m not ready for your meal first thing. And I’m, I need you to pause on that idea. Yeah. And it’s interesting because so many of us become like smoothie protein shake people, even in the winter. So it’s cool. Maybe you’re getting your protein in a warm way.

I love that.

Leigh Ann: Well, yeah, and actually I want to lean into that a little bit more, which is, first of all, as you said already, many of us here in Western culture, it’s eat breakfast on the go, drink, drink breakfast in the car on the way to work, have the whatever it is, oftentimes cold breakfast, especially for us busy in the day.[00:42:00]

And you, you did say specifically warm breakfast. How, yeah. So how do we feel about things like yogurt and berries in the morning smoothies? And is that just like a no go for morning? Save that for afternoon, save that for dinner. What does that look like? You

Dr. Shivani Gupta: know, in IRV that we teach to hold an intermittent fast, minimum 12 hours.

So finish dinner by seven, don’t eat before seven. So these popularity of intermittent fasting is really cool. Cause I’ve always said like, give the digestive fire a break. Just like if you were going to build a campfire at night, you would tend to that fire down to be like slow smoldering. It’s doing its job, but it’s not fully lit.

You don’t keep that fire going all day. So in the same way, we’re meant to think of our digestive fire as a campfire. So at night Settle it down. Let it rest until morning. In the morning, wake up the digestive fire. So that’s setting your intention first thing in the morning. That’s hydration, creating peristalsis, so the system moves.

Tongue scraping, igniting the [00:43:00] digestive fire. And for any of us who need help in the morning, more hydration to move the system through. Or a beautiful herbal tincture like ginger lemon tea is a great way to open up that fire and say, okay, I’m here now. If you are a bit like I am, I have a very strong digestifier.

I can handle a smoothie. I can even handle it with fruit. What’s interesting is IRB that says fruit should never be mixed with anything else. Ever. And I find that rule so hard to meet sometimes because I’m like, I just want some blueberries in my yogurt. Come on. If I ever do fruit in yogurt or milk, it’s like I do like two or three of them.

Because I know Ayurveda always said never, ever, ever combine those two things. No dairy with fruit. And we have a Western culture that’s obsessed with smoothies and like throw everything in the smoothie. But you know what? At the same time, if your morning smoothie is where you’re going to get all of your nutrient density for the day.

Go for it. I’m all about what is practical and what works. I’m also a busy mom who [00:44:00] makes her tea and her stuff to go just so we can try to get to school on time. But then once i’m done with my workout and I get to my office, I also have a full setup for tea and anything I need. Um, and so the more you can take those five minute breaks to sit still and have your tea or coffee or food, the better.

The better we do teach that it’s important not to be constantly in motion when we’re trying to because you’re not going to receive the benefits. You’re not going to receive as much of that benefit. So maybe the negotiation there is sometimes I’ll do this when I’m driving, for example, after work, I go to get the kids.

I’ll just pause and listen to meditation music in the car. That’s my time to tune in. So maybe if it’s smoothie in the morning driving, It’s not listening to news or negative things. It’s doing the positive with that to balance it out a little bit.

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But the Apollo wearable is so inconspicuous and easy and it uses vibration haptics that basically send these safety and regulating signals to the nervous system to allow for more focus, better sleep, calmer state. They have won [00:46:00] so many awards for this product and I feel like there’s a million more things I could say about it.

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My baseline is so low. So much more regulated. And likewise, when I’m in a moment of stress or a day of stress or a week of stress, I make sure that I’m wearing my Apollo every single day, just to give my body that extra support, those extra safety signals without necessarily needing to think about it.

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I mean, we’re starting to know and see studies behind it, but I think we can all, if we really tune in, feel that difference. If I am chugging my smoothie while listening to the news, while stuck in traffic, and I’m in this sort of frazzled, urgent energy versus. I’m drinking my smoothie, my smoothie slowly and with intention and I’ve put calming music on and maybe I’m still in traffic, but my whole energy composition is completely different.

To your point, I think the body is going to receive that differently. Correct. And

Dr. Shivani Gupta: the thing is, I think we’re going so fast. I find myself trying to respond to DMS while I’m running up the stairs, while I’m on my way to get ready for a podcast, right? We’re doing so many things at once, but when it comes to the choices we make to self nourish, Whether it’s the self care rituals or the food or the beverages, cause I’m a big fan of tea, taking [00:48:00] just that one second to tune in.

I, I created something called tea time is me time. So every time I have tea, I take a moment and I just ask myself, how are you doing? Everything? Okay. Anything we need to change about today or this week? And I have trained my intuition to respond. So my intuition will answer and say, actually, you need to change up what you just said.

You’re doing this week. You need to cancel on all of those people. You can’t do all this, or you haven’t planned your days. You get to eat dinner. Have you thought about that? And so you can really shift your life to be less chaotic and less draining. And instead be so nourishing because you’re choosing to take those little slices of time back and tune into yourself.

Leigh Ann: Yes, completely. Okay, I have a couple more specific questions about eating. Because it’s something we do all day long, three times a day. Can you say more to why we shouldn’t mix fruit with anything? I’m [00:49:00] also interested in, um, like beverages with food. Yeah.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: Um, let’s start there. Beverages with food, we have a very hard line, and I obey that.

We teach never, ever, ever drink anything with your meal. Ever. And so it’s funny, my family will serve everyone drinks on the table, and they know, don’t give mom anything. She will not drink a sip of water with her meal. If I’m dying of thirst, fine, but I don’t think of mealtime as drinking time. We’re meant to hydrate and drink all our beverages outside of our mealtimes.

Why? Because the stomach is going to release digestive enzymes for that meal. And the minute you pour all that liquid on top, you’re going to be, you’re going to be, um, diluting that, that effect. First of all, but second of all, when you think of it as digestive fire, if you go to a restaurant or an event and they’re offering you iced tea, ice water, iced soda, you’re just pouring that on top of a fire, shutting off the fire.

And then hoping that this meal you’re about [00:50:00] to put in is going to be digested properly. And it won’t be, it just will not be. There’s no fire. Therefore, there’s no enzymes left to digest it. So that’s going to create something we call AMA or toxins and these toxin residues that accumulate us. in us are the problem when it comes to our health.

A lot of times we have chronic issues. We are like, why? I’m so good. But it could be this one little habit of hydration at mealtime that could be turning off the fire that you need. And then you asked about food combination. Food combination is actually a big concept in IRB that we teach that there are six tastes to food.

We’re meant to incorporate all those tastes into our meals. We’re not meant to mix so many things together. So fruit, fruit. We love our like hashes. And putting everything together. And Ayurveda is like, no, you just don’t, don’t put all these things. So if you’ve ever been to like a steak dinner and you put like the bread with the wine, with the steak, with the potatoes, with the sides, the reason you feel so heavy after any [00:51:00] meal you eat where you feel stuffed, Imagine your, your stomach is not a, a garbage disposal.

It’s a beautiful, intelligent, digestive fire that’s saying, Hey, I can only handle so much. Don’t just put me out. And then I can’t handle it. And so our job is really to honor that fire and start to become aware of what is the right amount of food. What are the foods that our system has the strength to process?

What foods should we avoid? What combinations of food always irritate us and slow us down? For me, I’m gluten free. And mostly dairy free other than cheese. So the more we can understand what’s irritating to our system and slows our system down, the better.

Leigh Ann: Mm hmm. It, I’ll give you a testimonial on the drinks with meals.

It is so common here in the U. I mean, first thing you do when you go to a restaurant, what do you want to drink? Um, my ex, we were together for eight years. He would have, you know, urgent running to the bathroom after a, At least once a day, if not [00:52:00] more. And then he saw an Instagram video speaking to this premise and like, honestly, I think he probably could have been diagnosed with IBS if he had gone to a conventional doctor.

Sure. Never did. And in some ways, I think that actually served him well, but when he stopped drinking. Any kind of liquid with meals. It completely stopped.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: Yeah. Isn’t that crazy? It’s simple, simple things. So when I get to a restaurant and they’re like, what do you want to drink? I’m so confused. Cause I’m like, I don’t drink anything.

And so I say, everyone will have water with no ice. Can I have a hot water please? With lemon. And I will, if I want to drink hot water with lemon, I can, or I’ll just have a few sips. The lemon is alkaline. It’s, it’s also going to support that digestive fire.

Leigh Ann: And then you move on. Yeah. And then on that note, when, so when, when is the ideal time to drink?

Is there a, if you’ve just eaten, wait this long, or if you’re going to eat soon, eat within this, or excuse me, drink within this, uh,

Dr. Shivani Gupta: Yes, so we definitely say 30 minutes, bookended on both [00:53:00] sides of any meal. Don’t drink anything, but if you can expand that towards 45 minutes, great. But if not, 30 minutes is fine.

Leigh Ann: Yeah, and then if you are maybe try to make it something warm at the very

Dr. Shivani Gupta: least. Exactly. So you’re supporting the fire It’s a hot beverage. That’s why in a lot of cultures soup is served before the meal. It’s this hot warm liquid It’s still very nourishing. It’s gonna ignite your fire. It’s gonna keep you hot and ready For that next meal coming.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. And we’re obsessed with ice here in America.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: Unfortunately, yes.

Leigh Ann: I love this. I, you know, when he tried that, I gave it a go for a little bit. I think I want to give it more of a, like real intentional go the, the no liquids with meals. Yeah. And I’m also such a beverage girly. Like I honestly, I feel like I could just live on liquids.

Although I love food. I’m such a foodie in my day to day life. I’m like, I’ll have my. Chai in the morning. I’ll have a like raw milk saffron latte at night. Maybe an herbal

Dr. Shivani Gupta: [00:54:00] tea midday. Nice. That means you’re more vata. A vata person can actually survive all day on beverages and barely snacking. And us vatas need our meals or we are crazy.

Like we have no choice. I have to plan what is breakfast, lunch, and dinner and that afternoon snack or else I’m in trouble. So just different constitutions can do different things. So I mean, it’s, it’s beautiful to, you know, understand this idea of hydration and beverages outside of your mealtimes. I think that simple habit alone can fix people’s digestion in such a profound way and reduce their toxic burden in the system that then a lot of the small issues we talk about that are inflammation based, whether it’s our joint pain or our brain fog or digestive issues after meals.

A lot of that can be resolved through that simple habit.

Leigh Ann: Well, and this is what I love so much about it is, it’s sort of like, let’s take, let’s shift these foundational things first. Exactly. Right, and even in holistic [00:55:00] medicine, sometimes I think we can get a little too caught up in all the testing, sometimes.

Um, even though it can also be very empowering. And it’s like, let’s, Address these foundational things, give it a couple months, then let’s go do some testing and see what’s still lingering to the, you know, to the example I gave her my ex. It’s like, I mean, who knows what conventional medicine would have put him on for IBS or some kind of protocol of that nature.

But, um, even holistic medicine could have gone down this whole road of testing for parasites and hormones and, you know, mineral deficiencies, which is great. And that’s good to know, but let’s correct the original thing, you know, some of these foundations first.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: And I do think we love going down those rabbit holes.

Like I’m a huge fan of functional medicine and testing, and then my functional medicine doctors will sit down with me with my folder and they’re like, glad you know so much about yourself. But we don’t get to address it. Everything all the time. I’m like, you’re right, because that can make you kind of [00:56:00] crazy.

If you’re trying to address every deficiency all the time. So now I just pick a theme. I’m like, what’s my theme that I’m focused on in this season? And we’ll, we’ll address that one theme because there’s only so many habits we can shift in the body without destabilizing.

Leigh Ann: Completely. Yeah. And we tend to be very all or nothing.

Yeah. I think as a culture, even of just I’m all in or I’m all out. And to your point, maybe it’s, let’s, let’s pace it a little bit. Yeah. It’s a body. It’s a being. I do want to lean even a little more into now eating at night and when, you know, when maybe we should not be eating at night or when is that cutoff?

And then you also briefly said, Yeah. There’s a window of sleep. We really want to try to get you said tended to. I’d love to hear more about that as well, but particularly when it comes to meals, what is, what is the Ayurveda approach to evening or dinnertime?

Dr. Shivani Gupta: Sure. So what we teach is have a breakfast.

Don’t skip breakfast, which is interesting in this moment of intermittent [00:57:00] fasting. I really believe that breakfast was important. Get something to open up that digestive fire and get it working. Is that good for everyone? Probably not. Nowadays with the science we have around intermittent fasting, I think some people are meant to hold these bigger fasts and they do well with it.

I think women are seeing that with our hormones and cycles we have to be a little more intuitive and careful and understanding around that. Um, so I do have breakfast or I have a mid morning breakfast if I hold my fast till 10, 10 30. If I’m working out, I’ll eat. If I don’t work out, I can hold longer.

And then lunch, we consider the biggest meal of the day. And so we teach that when it’s 10 to two on the clock, when the sun is highest in the sky around noon, that’s your best time to eat your food. That’s going to give you the most nutrient density and have the best absorption because you’re digestifiers on board with you.

So if you want to eat nuts and seeds at that time, or super foods and different things, that’s your best time to eat them. And we teach that you should have your biggest meal of the day. So that’s not your, like, let me grab a little salad on the go type of [00:58:00] meal. With so many people do they’re like, I’m being healthy.

So I’m going to eat my salad now. And I’m like, no, I eat a hearty lunch. Then for me, I can’t hold till dinner, like my digestive fire and the way my day runs. Once I have the kids, it’s almost like the tougher part of my day has started. My business day is much easier because I have to negotiate with these people on homework and these things.

So at four o’clock I have my high tea and snack. That’s like my set time between 4. I’m going to pause. I’m going to have my tea. I’m going to have a delicious snack, hopefully with some protein or some unctuousness to it. So it’s very satisfying, like hummus or tzatziki, some healthy fat in there that’ll hold my brain to work for the next six hours.

So I have a high tea snack. And then around 6. 30, that dinner I find is much more reasonable. So when the kids get home, we pause, we all eat, have our tea, and they have their juices and snacks and whatever they’re going to have. And then we transition into evening. So dinner should actually be done by seven because [00:59:00] once you’re having that three hour window for digestion, you want to sleep soon after the problem is nowadays.

We want to stay up late. We want to Netflix and chill. We get munchy. We’re reaching into the pantry for whatever around 10 o’clock. If we can hold that fast, just that seven to 10 fast. before bed, we’re walking into bedtime with our food digested. So instead of the body focusing on digesting this food we just ate, which happens, we go out late at night, you have that late meal, but instead of doing that, the body can then clear the lymphatic system.

We know we can accumulate up to three pounds of waste in our brain lymphatic system throughout the year. So when we talk about brain fog and brain inflammation, why is my brain not working? It’s like, well, why do you use it as a trash dump? Why didn’t you to consider that this too needs to clear at night.

So every time you’re pushing bedtime to 10 to 11 and past, just think about how those two hours before midnight are two to three times more important than all the sleep you get after. That time is your investment in your [01:00:00] health. And so nowadays when we talk about metabolic disease and weight loss and everyone’s so focused on those topics, Why don’t you just give yourself two hours of sleep and let the body clear and clean its own pathways for you?

And so I think of it as little garbage trucks that come out and my little garbage trucks are meant to come out and gather everything in my brain, in my heart, emotionally and physically that did not serve me because I’m gonna end up eating something processed or Drinking water that might not be perfect or breathing air that’s not perfect Like the world is not a perfect place or using skincare that maybe is not perfect So whatever that accumulation is, The body will collect it all at night and then clear it out in the morning, but we have to give it that rhythm.

We have to build that rhythm as the most, it’s the sanctity of that rhythm that gives us the opportunity to detox every night, clean and clear our system every morning with that morning bowel movement and our morning rituals and then move into our day. So food is really bookending. All of our [01:01:00] detox pathways and our digestive fire and our overall health.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Yeah. I love that three hours. Give yourself three hours from the time you ate to going to bed, but you really want to be in bed asleep by 10.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: Yeah. And it could be longer if you can hold a four hour, five hour, go ahead. I’m not one of those people who can eat like a five o’clock dinner and then last till 10 o’clock at night,

Leigh Ann: but some

Dr. Shivani Gupta: people can.

So, so the bigger you can do the better for you, but most of us, I think three hours is just fine.

Leigh Ann: Yeah, and then last last question, time, like duration of sleep. Is this unique to different doshas? Is there sort of a standard of practice here? Yes,

Dr. Shivani Gupta: so it’s interesting. Yeah, I mean Vata people tend to have disrupted sleep.

They tend to be light sleepers. And so Vata people need more support to get good sleep. So if you have like a Vata mind, which I tend to have a Vata mind all over, like always in motion. I will make sure I do my sleep cream, my sleep tea, [01:02:00] my sleep gummies. Like I have a whole song and dance, a hot shower.

Like I need to do the things to sleep properly. Otherwise I’m just wired and I have to read a book before bed. So that’s how I settle that mind. I’m actually a bit by nature, but the fire means I also have this fiery brain that’s coming up with new business ideas and, and things to put in my book and everything.

All day long. So at night, I also need to cool my system down and make sure I let go of work by eight o’clock. I won’t touch my laptop after eight. I settled the house by nine and I go upstairs to start my evening rituals to really settle and relax for bedtime. And as a bit thought, we normally have good sleep.

We’re fine with our sleep as long as we honor it and we don’t eat late and have heartburn and all this fire coming out of us. So.

Leigh Ann: And then finally there’s

Dr. Shivani Gupta: a person is more earth energy. They carry earth and water. So they actually, once they fall asleep, can sleep super late into the morning. They can sleep till 10, 11 noon.

This is a [01:03:00] heavy slumber, high quality sleep that they get, but they might wake up groggy and tired and feel like they just can’t get into their day. And so we try to really support a guffa. And yes, you can get your full eight, nine hours of sleep, go for it, but just make sure you have a day that starts by nine, something to start that day and kick it off.

So you move your energy before you start your day.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. Yeah. Oh, I love that so much. So I know I’ve got to let you go and I want to be respectful of your time. This was amazing. I think it’s. so great to be able to just cover some of these foundations and then maybe we can have you on again to go deeper into some of the specifics.

And then of course, we didn’t even have time to get to turmeric and all the super spice.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: That’s okay. I’ll come on any time. This has been so fun to talk about Ayurveda in this way with your audience today, because if we put these foundational pieces in place, simple, free foundational pieces, All of a sudden our, our health can shift and become lighter and become easier.

And that’s my goal for everybody.

Leigh Ann: Yeah. And I think [01:04:00] really what I took from this is Ayurveda by definition is so bioindividual and nuanced and seasonal, which is sort of my philosophy on life in general is I need to support this system with what it needs right now. Yes. And what that’s going to be three months from now could be completely different.

And I love that Ayurveda really. Encompasses that philosophy. Absolutely. So beautiful. Can you tell everyone where they can find you? I’m going to make sure everything is linked in the show notes anyways, and I’m going to go jump and take your dosha test because I want to know.

Dr. Shivani Gupta: Yes. So if anyone wants to find me, my website is It’s DrShivani.

com. It’s S H I V A N I. And my DOSHA quiz is there, my inflammation, 7 Day Inflammation Challenge, everything’s there. And then I have, on Instagram, I’m at Dr. Shivani Gupta. And then my teas and different things I create is at Fusionary Formulas. And I made a special code for your audience, a Crescent. We’ll give them 50%.

Leigh Ann: Amazing. I’ll make sure it’s down below. When you mentioned the [01:05:00] sleep tea, I was like, Oh, I’m going to check that out for sure. I’m being the beverage girly that

Dr. Shivani Gupta: I am. I’m very into tea, obsessed with tea. So I made a sleep tea. I made a menopause, perimenopause tea for my crew. So I’m very into teas that help us sleep.

Just functionally achieve the goals we want, whether it’s a great sleep or unwinding at the end of the day or things like that.

Leigh Ann: Yeah, it’s so beautiful. I can’t wait to check it out. Well, thank you so, so much. This has been such a joy. Thank you for giving all of us your time. For sure. Thanks for having me.