THE ACCRESCENT™ PODCAST EPISODE 180

Hello, welcome back to The Accrescent Podcast. I’m your host, Leigh Ann Lindsay. Today’s episode has been a long time in coming because Heather and I have been connected for several years now. I’ve been a client of hers, she’s been a client of mine, but as many of you may know, I, my office is now inside of Ascent Adaptation and Regeneration here in Costa Mesa, California, and Heather is the founder, president, CEO of Ascent Adaptation.

I have been wanting to do this conversation with her even before we were all under the same roof, but I think now more than ever it’s going to be so great for you guys to be introduced to Heather, but also Ascent, and a few of the many amazing Modalities and services that they offer here because now so many of my clients are coming to see me And they get to also walk through Ascent Into my office and there’s so many [00:01:00] amazing modalities some of which I don’t even know the full extent of their benefits What they do how they work, which is why I really wanted to have this conversation with her to cover All the different modalities over a few different episodes because they have over I think 14 different technologies here So much much more than we can cover in one conversation But today we’re starting with first just Heather’s backstory and she shares how she was diagnosed with rheumatoid arthritis Back in, I think, 2008, 2009, and how that was really the start of this whole journey for her and how some of these modalities put her into remission from the RA.

So we start with her story, we go into They’re two main modalities and spend a lot of time digesting these and I wanted to do this on purpose because we could just cursory go over all the things they offer, but I really, really want to dive into the intricacies of each modality, [00:02:00] what it is, how it works, who it’s for, what are the benefits, how they’re different from other modalities on the market, so this conversation is definitely just a part one.

There will absolutely be more episodes to come with Heather. As well as with, you know, we’re planning some, some team episodes with Heather and Danielle, where we’re all coming together and sharing our experience, working with clients and chronic illness and cancer, and just really what we’re seeing and why, what each of us is doing, I think is so symbiotic together.

So with that, please enjoy this conversation with Heather Hiniker. Okay. Well, it’s so fun to get to sit down with you, Heather, on the podcast, even though we see each other multiple times a week now here at Ascent, but it’s so special to have you on to be able to really dive deep into your story, the story of Ascent.

So welcome. Thank you. I’m so happy to be here. We were talking before kind of prepping for the episode that I was like, I. Know a little bit of your story and kind of [00:03:00] what led you to even founding Ascent, but I actually don’t know that much of it. And I think that’s a really great place to start is just the introduction to you.

Even before we get to Ascent more specifically, how did you get into this world? Why are you so passionate about it? And a little bit of that origin story. Awesome. Okay. So, uh, in 2007, I was actually, um, coming off probably one of the best years I’d ever had in the mortgage industry. Um, my daughter was two years old at the time and the mortgage industry crashed and Literally, right along with it, my health decided to crash and, um, I remember, you know, trying to stay within that real estate realm.

So, um, became a realtor. I was doing open houses and the balls of my feet were just excruciating pain. And one of my fingers, actually it was my middle finger right here, was just Super swollen and I couldn’t bend it. And I’m like, what’s going on so much. So it prompted me to go to the doctor and my whole life.

I [00:04:00] mean, that’s always last resort for me, even though at the time, this was not my background. Um, so I went to the doctor, they did their tests and came back that I had rheumatoid arthritis in my mid thirties. Um, you know, it was, At first I didn’t really believe it, because usually that’s a diagnosis that’s hereditary, no one in my family had it, um, and at the time, you know, I just was like, okay, what are we going to do?

I have a two year old, I’m in pain, but not to the pain. to the extent where it actually went. So they wanted to put me on low dose chemotherapy to train it. That’s the go to believe it or not. Oh my gosh, I actually had no idea about that. Yeah, and methotrexate is the go to. That’s where they start everyone.

And just the thought of that. Um, everything within me screamed no. And so I kind of went down this deep dive and again, this was not my background and you got to think this was about, what was it, 16, 17 years ago, um, a lot of, a lot of things didn’t even [00:05:00] exist. I mean, as far as technology and stuff like that.

And so I started to just do way out of the box things like I was going away to retreats where I’d be gone for two weeks and. do some major fasting. I was doing wheatgrass enemas. I was going to China herbalists and drinking the craziest concoctions that would stink up the entire house. I mean, you name it, I was trying it and I was getting progressively worse.

So much so, um, fast forward, my daughter, three and a half, four years old, we put her into preschool. It was all I could do to get her to that preschool and then go back home and just be fetal. I couldn’t wash my own hair. I couldn’t put a bra on. I couldn’t even dress her, like do buttons or anything. And so because, you know, wanting to be a good mom, that kind of fueled me for, okay, this is no quality of life.

It’s no quality of life for myself or her. And I was this close to having to get on medicine just so I could function. And by the grace of God, like always, I happened to be at the [00:06:00] right place. Um, you know, I was kind of transitioning, you know, along with my health, my whole entire life crashed. I mean, I was going through a divorce.

I had moved, um, from where we were living together back to Orange County and being a single mom, you know, my, my ex husband, um, is one of my best friends to this day. Um, but he did so much for me. I mean, he basically took care of me and Violet. So it was super, um, you know, new life. I’m in charge of someone and taking care of them.

And, um, I just wanted it so bad to feel good. And it was kind of that transition of like, what do I want to do? And my whole, my passion, uh, at the time, I really wanted to go and study to be a sommelier, believe it or not. Oh my gosh. And I was looking into that, but I was getting worse and worse and worse.

And, um, I happen to be playing poker one night with my brother. Um, I love playing poker. It was just a way to totally escape. And I was actually pretty [00:07:00] good at it. Um, and so he invited me over to like a barbecue poker party with his friends. And this. gentleman was talking about how his father had just secured the first CVAC pod in Orange County.

And so this was a technology that, you know, at that time, I think there was only 16 built and probably only three open to the public. Okay. Oh, wow. About 15 years ago. And I was listening to him and he was like showing the pictures of this thing that looked like a pod. It was like an egg shaped thing. And I was like, Ooh, is that hyperbaric?

What is that thing? And he was saying, Oh, I don’t know. My dad invested in this property. He wants me to start a business off of it. It’s coming in two weeks. Do you want to try it? Because there’s small studies based on, um, chronic pain and, uh, fibromyalgia, which obviously is a autoimmune disease as well.

And I literally had nothing to lose. And I said, yep, I’m all in kind of like how I do everything, right? If I’m going to do it, I’m going to do it. And I did it every single day and the CVAC pod, we can go into it a little bit more [00:08:00] later, really what it does. But I was sitting in there for a couple hours a day.

The first time I did it, I actually slept through the night. So from the time Violet, my daughter was born, I was waking up every 20 minutes. So I didn’t have like pure sleep for a few years, like four years. And so doing CVAC for the first time and allowing me to sleep through the night, I was like, I don’t care if this does anything for my RA, I want to sleep.

And so that kept me going. And then over a series of weeks, um, I just noticed, wow, my, the inflammation basically from my feet up started to dissipate. My hands and wrists were the last things to actually get relief, but, you know, my feet, my knees, my hips, my, I mean, it was everywhere. And so it really opened my eyes to the fact that our bodies are miracles.

They are capable of regenerating and healing when they’re exposed to the right frequencies or the right lifestyle changes. Um, and really that’s where it all started. And so at that time, you [00:09:00] know, I was bringing so many people into this guy’s business. That he said, Hey, do you want to go into business together?

I was super naive, you know, like, sure, let’s go. And very soon we actually realized that our worth at work ethics were super different. And I just told him, you know, it’s, I can’t work in this capacity. I’m going to offer to buy you out. So I offered to buy his pod and acquired another one and opened up my own company.

And this was in 2011. So 15 years ago, right? No, 2010. Sorry. Um, cause I had been using CVAC since 2009. So, um, fast forward, you know, I, I had a great 401k from the mortgage industry and I actually took that entire half million dollars out of my 401k, took penalties on it, major penalties. And I opened, uh, what is now Ascent and I opened it thinking, Oh, I’m just going to have six CVAC [00:10:00] pods.

We’ll have a line out the door. This thing is doing such incredible things. And it became very apparent very fast that that wasn’t going to be the case. And I literally within the first year blew through that entire amount of money and was, you know, pray like God has always had me. And so just like putting my faith and trust in him just to keep moving forward.

And if it wasn’t for professional athletes at that time, you know, really wanting the edge and everything, I don’t know if we would have made it obviously today things have transitioned. Super different compared to where we started, but that’s basically how I started. And it was hard. I mean, not making any money for years really.

Um, but my passion, I mean, and you know that as a, as an entrepreneur, but my passion and my heart just was screaming at me, you know, don’t get back in the mortgage industry. That’s the easy way out. What are you going to do with your sommelier? Like, like. I just, I knew where I was is where I was meant to be and today I can really tell you, Leanne, that I am [00:11:00] so grateful for that diagnosis, you know, when we’re, we’re told that we have a progressive degenerative autoimmune disease that some, someday could end up attacking our organs and killing us because that’s what they said, um, it’s terrifying, especially as a mother to a young child and if someone would have told me it.

You know, at that time, this is happening for a reason. Just hold in. I probably would have kicked them, honestly, because I was so scared and just like in so much pain. But today I can actually really be grateful for that diagnosis and, you know, where we’re at today. Yeah, completely. I just, and I think anyone who encounters you, myself, all the staff here, all the clients.

It’s just your heart, your passion, the authenticity, the alignment that you’re living in completely shines through. And that is so, so powerful. And it, it’s like a magnet. It really draws people in, I think that heart behind it. So did you ever expect [00:12:00] to be here now with so many different modalities, so many different treatments or was the plan in the beginning just to kind of do CVAC stick with that?

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, really at the time there wasn’t a total. term like biohacking. It did not exist back then. And there were no centers that were incorporating multiple modalities. So for the first couple of years, it was literally just CVAC. And that was, like I said, I was just blowing through that, that savings.

And then, um, we ended up getting a vibration, uh, Sonic’s whole body vibration device. Simply to help clear the ears from CVAC, not really knowing that vibration is a frequency that actually has a lot of healing properties as well. And so we had those two for about a year, and then we were approached by a, uh, uh, like neuroacoustic, uh, Technology, a company that actually wanted to be in house with us, um, in sublease space.

So we started to do the, the neuroacoustic, which is [00:13:00] Nexaline. We did that for a couple of years. And it wasn’t until I think 2016 that we started to say, you know, we need things that really help enhance the CVAC process. And so we looked into, uh, PEMF technologies, post electromagnetic field therapies, and.

When we incorporated what I would consider one of the most tested and proven PMF technology there is, um, when we incorporated that, I saw a huge shift in our client retention because people were now responding to CVAC. So much faster and it was becoming more effective because of what PEMF technology does to the cells.

Um, and then from there, it’s just been, you know, I would say probably a couple new technologies a year. Um, today I think we have like. So bad that I don’t know this number. I think we have 14 different technologies. Um, some of them are more, um, like analysis devices to help us quantify things and get [00:14:00] baselines.

But yeah, we have 14 as you know, because we’re in house together now. We. Expanded last November until double the space. And I mean, I don’t know about you, but I already feel like we need more space. Blessed with, um, you know, the people that are finding us. And I think there’s a, as I’m sure you probably know, too, a huge shift in the way people are thinking and where we’re at, you know, we, we might take it for granted because we’ve been doing what we do for so long, but it is going to become mainstream.

And I think people are going to look. to these types of facilities before going to, like, say, their primary care physician, because people understand that they are capable of regenerating and healing. I mean, that’s just how God created us. So, um, I think we’re in for a really fun ride over the next decade or so.

Oh my gosh. Well, and just you always have some exciting thing coming down the pipeline, which is I, which I think is why I’m so drawn to you and [00:15:00] so excited to be in this space with you and the team, because I’m ambitious. I’m always like, what’s, what’s the next thing I can bring in? What’s the next. gift I can offer to my clients.

How can I offer even more robust, comprehensive, and whether that’s through educational opportunities or events or more modalities, it’s really so enlivening to be around someone like that. Well, you have just brought so much to us too. I mean, like what you do and the component of true healing when it comes to, you know, it’s, it’s, it’s whole body, it’s emotions, it’s spiritual, it’s everything.

And you were such a missing link. Link to what we are offerings prior to. So just to have you in house and have your energy has been amazing over the last few months. Yeah. I’m loving it. So I think what I wanna s spend some time on is yes, maybe, maybe we even go over if you can. The list of modalities we have, we’re not going to be able to go into all of them.

We already talked about, we know we’re going to need a part two to really give each [00:16:00] modality the time it deserves, because I do want to go deep, you know, as deep as we need to on each modality. So people really understand the power of what’s being offered here. Maybe just a cursory list. of the modalities you offer.

But then I think what I’d like to do is, okay, in my mind, I think there’s two people who come to you. There’s the people who aren’t doing much. They just found out about you who want all the assessments and kind of that full introductory package. And then I think there’s people who maybe their doctor has recommended something like CVAC or PEMF or biocharger, and they’re looking for that modality specifically finding you and then coming in.

Um, and so kind of talking a little bit about those different approaches, who you serve, who could benefit from coming to Ascent, but I know it’s a long list, but maybe if we can go with just what are some of those different things you guys have here? Yes. So as I mentioned, when we first started, it literally was professional athletes.

Because those are the people that are willing to do whatever it takes to get that tiny little edge. [00:17:00] And then, over the years, you know, I’ve had to be very careful. I’m not a doctor, nor do I want to be. Um, I really stay in my lane when it comes to my expertise in regards to technology, and how each different technology affects us on a cellular level.

I mean, that’s really what we focus on, because there’s so many components of cellular health. That unless they’re all firing at a high level, that regeneration and that healing really can’t happen. I mean, you need to make sure you start at that cell to optimize that so that the body can do what it needs to do.

Um, and so I, I think just my own personal story began to spread. Spread a little bit, you know, clients would come in, athletes would come in and they’d hear how I started this business. And then they’d be like, Oh man, my sister has that diagnosis or, Hey, my mom has this autoimmune disease. Or, you know, my brother, it just was very organic, um, at first.

And you know, I’d be so happy if I got one new client a month. I mean, literally that’s how slow [00:18:00] growing it was. Um, and. Like I said, back then people weren’t even saying biohacking or anything. So like marketing, this was really hard because I couldn’t even like sharing my own personal story. I was walking a fine line because truly we don’t treat cure diagnose.

Like that’s. Not what we do here. Um, and so just that marketing component of it, which is actually, believe it or not, my, um, degree is in marketing. I really couldn’t use that. And then that was changing so much too with social media and all of that. So at first it was just super organic, um, someone telling someone my story.

And then over the years, just because we’ve been in business so long and, you know, people find us when they’re looking outside, um, the box, I’ll say, Also, I feel like a good part of our business has been when Western medicine tends to give up on someone. Some of the diagnoses that we see coming in, um, have been just that.

Western medicines failed them or, [00:19:00] you know, it’s kind of put their hands up. Like there’s nothing we can do. Maybe it’s, you look good on all your tests, but we know. They’re not feeling good or they have a very serious diagnosis. You know, we work with some people that they have a prognosis of two to five years to live.

Western medicine says there’s nothing we can do and get your affairs in order. Um, and so over the years, I would say the two components of people that really come in are those people. And then also the people that just want to reverse age. So usually they’ve had a healing crisis of some type and they really appreciate their body and want to take care of it because we only have one.

And so we have a good amount of those people. Like I would say the majority of our members are probably those types of people. Some of, some people might call them biohackers. You know, I really just. Believe in the longevity component of it. So they focus on longevity, reverse aging at the cellular level.

And then it’s just still, you know, someone sharing with a friend. I mean, at this point, we [00:20:00] probably have been getting like five or six new clients a week. So if you think where I was happy at once a month, getting someone new, it’s incredible. And you know, I think. There’s just so much opportunity in helping people, um, and just making them realize, you know, if they don’t know that they’re able and created to regenerate, just having that initial conversation, it makes people feel hopeful again.

And that mindset, as you know, I mean, is everything when you have hope or you have belief, um, that you actually can heal, you know, even though you’ve been told. By western medicine that you can’t, you know, it’s that’s that’s the game changer as well for any of you who follow me on instagram You’ll probably have seen that a few weeks ago.

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That’s not something that I don’t think I would even ever do. But I also did the in body scan at ascent adaptation before doing the diet and after doing the diet, because I really wanted to measure results. And I was blown away. I lost six pounds just in that week. I lost 2 percent body fat. But the other markers that I [00:22:00] was really excited to track were my inflammation went down significantly, my phase angle went up significantly, which I’m gonna talk about a lot more because I decided I’m gonna record a short solo episode going super, super in depth into the Prolon fast mimicking program, and more in depth into my results and what some of these measurements mean.

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So usually when someone starts coming to us, you know, when we first started, I didn’t have any way to get a baseline or quantify because again, I’m not a doctor. So I’m not taking blood. I’m not doing anything like that. And so that was really hard for client retention because you’d have those [00:23:00] people.

They’re like, I think I feel better. Well, you think you feel better. You’re not limping anymore, or I think I’m sleeping better. My energy, I think it’s better, but there was no way to truly in black and white quantify something. And so, um, I would say about eight years ago. Yeah, because I was 40 years old.

And I’m almost 49. So, yeah, eight years ago, we got the first, I would say, quantifier. It was a bioimpedance analysis device. Um, and basically what it did, we got the highest model that would actually measure something called phase angle. So, phase angle is a measurement of the integrity of your cell walls.

So, the more permeable your cells are, the more healthy you are, because all the good stuff’s able to get in, like the water, the nutrients, um, And all of the bad stuff, most importantly, is able to get out. Um, so waste, toxins, if, if your cell cellular permeability or your phase angle is low, that just means that your cell walls are more hardened and rigid.

So now like [00:24:00] those waste and toxins can’t get out, well they start to compile and they’ll turn into systemic inflammation. Inflammation is the root of pretty much any diagnosis or pain state. So if that process begins to happen, that’s where, that’s the first thing we try to tackle. So I love getting a baseline on that because there’s certain ranges that are considered acceptable.

So like men usually average between a five and a seven on that phase angle scale and then women a four to six. So we can see that to see where they’re starting. And then the bioimpedance analyzer also will show us where inflammation levels are at at a cellular level. So that’s always really good to see.

Um, and then the one we have now, we’re actually, I’m super excited. And I know you’ve been on it. Um, we have the nine 70 now, and so we’re the only non medical facility in the United States that actually has this device. I really thought it was important to make the investment for our members and our clients, um, because it will still show the phase angle.

It shows the inflammation, but it also shows. [00:25:00] protein levels and muscles in addition to like how much muscle you have in each segment of your body. It also shows, um, mineral levels in bone and blood, which is super important. So we can see these markers without taking blood and exciting. It’s noninvasive, but it gives us a baseline.

So when someone comes in and their cellular integrity is compromised and their inflammation is super high, This is where we started. And then in 90 days or in six months, we reevaluate. Oh my gosh, look where you’re at now. It’s no wonder you’re sleeping better. It’s no wonder you feel like you have more energy and less pain.

It’s because your cellular integrity is intact. And then it becomes a way to quantify true age reversal at that cellular level. So That’s what I’m all about. I want to continuously on a cellular level and biological age get younger. And so it’s a way to actually support and prove what these different modalities are doing.

So that’s one of my favorite starting points. I mean, at this point now, like you, we have different practitioners [00:26:00] in house that also help and have been trained. For different, um, analysis is like we can do a meat analysis, which is going to show the cellular voltage, which plays a huge component in healing and, or, you know, diagnoses and everything.

Um, so, so that’s another avenue and highly trained people that have taken the time to get educated and, and they’re the best of the best. Um, and then we have some biofeedback, uh, analysis too, that will actually show on that frequency level, uh, where people are at. So those are all the baseline things. And then once we sit down and I do a consult and really feel like here, what someone’s going through, then we decide, okay, which technology one or two, are we going to start with really take a responsibility in regards to not exposing people to too many things, um, too fast, because if for some reason, like.

We have 13 different technologies you can use and they have an adverse effect and they’re using [00:27:00] all 13. I have no idea what’s causing that same thing. If they’re having such a positive response, which one is it? So I usually will start with either CVAC or, um. Our high powered PMF or red light, just depending on what someone is going through, right?

Um, PMF is something that in conjunction with CVAC makes the process happen a lot faster. So I’m very well administering both of those and then, you know, over the last couple of years, we’ve been doing a technology in the CVAC pod that increases that cellular voltage on average. So those are kind of our starting points.

Um, but, you know, we have. So many great things that compliment, uh, you know, some of our favorite things to do is stacking modalities all at the same time that all work within a different system of the body at the cellular level. Um, because then the body responds so much faster. So we’ll do, and have, have you done the, the, um, whole stack that we’ve been doing with the.

High powered PEMF on the zero gravity lounger. No, I haven’t [00:28:00] tried this. I can’t wait to try it. If your schedule allows, just let me know because it is, it’s actually one of my favorite things right now. I’ve been in Idaho for about five days and This is my first day back. I’m doing that today. And then I’ll finish with the CVAC session, but it’s high power powered PMF in this specific PMF post electromagnetic field therapy device that we have.

We are the only, um, facility, I think in California that has the zero gravity lounger. So it kind of feels like you’re floating on a cloud. Like if there, you don’t really have, like, it. It’s comfortable, you know, and there’s not, um, you don’t really have weight on certain areas. Like if you have back issues and stuff like that, but the entire lounge is emitting PEMF.

And what’s so crazy about this specific PMF is your body is so intelligent that as we increase the intensity, you will feel it in the specific area that your cells are the weakest or where they’re compromised. Well, everyone feels it somewhere different. And so it’s so exciting because you’ll see someone start feeling it and then they’ll [00:29:00] go.

Oh, my gosh. And that’s where I have issues. And so like, I’m really always interested, you know, because we work with a lot of neurological diagnoses right now, some, some of those diagnoses, it’s affecting the limbs of people. Um, and they will feel it in those specific limbs that are compromised. Um, we’ve had people feel it in their head.

I had a client that said the first time she did it, she felt it in her heart and she, uh, Was like, that’s weird. Like I have nothing going on. Well, she went to one of her other intuitive practitioners, like right after and the lady measured whatever she was doing. I don’t know the actual, um, um, Energy mode that she was getting, but her heart came up.

And so it just showed her like how powerful that was. And then, you know, she’s been feeling good ever since. So, um, I love that we stack it with red light, red light therapy is such an important component to, um, reverse aging and getting rid of inflammation. And then, um, a structured water like ordered water vapor, uh, is also what [00:30:00] we administer that helps recreate protein folding for misfolded proteins and it makes them fold correctly.

Literally 30 minutes, uh, getting exposure to those three technologies. You feel like a new person. It’s so fun. Okay. Sold. I came back from my resident, you know, I was gone for a week at residential and it takes me like two weeks just to recover. From that, it’s so intense. So last week just was brutal. I felt like I just was like grinding through and I, you know, I jump on biocharger all the time cause I love that so much, but the stacks are the best because it’s just like, why waste our time?

Let’s get as much as we can. You know, as is beneficial. Exactly. Yeah. Like, and that’s the other thing too, like with frequency based technologies, higher is not better. More is not better. And that’s, you know, another thing that I take responsibility for. And I feel like it’s my obligation first and foremost to have the best in every single sector that we offer.

[00:31:00] So I don’t look at price. Like I literally look at the science. to vet something to be able to come into this platform. You know, it’s proven and it works. So sometimes it takes me two years to bring something in with the biocharger, which you just mentioned took me four years to bring that in. I had no idea it was what it was until I was speaking to a doctor friend of mine and he had one and he’s like, I can’t believe you don’t have that.

And I’m like, really? And I think it looks like a toy to me. And I honestly thought it was the size of a blender. You know how big it is. Um, But yeah, powerful. Like I did the biocharger two times and I passed parasites two days later. And this was before parasites became like the, you know, buzzword that everyone’s talking about.

Um, I was shocked, you know, over 90 percent of us have parasites and yes, I had them and doing the biocharger showed that to me. So, um, just, I mean, we live in an incredible time right now with all of these modalities and, um, I’m just really grateful to be able to be in the space that we’re in. Yeah, and like the ability to [00:32:00] be able to speak to it and educate on it so freely with social media, with podcasts, with events, all the things.

So I think a good place to go and spend the last chunk of our time is, you kind of mentioned the two main ones that people usually start with are CVAC maybe paired with the PEMF. So maybe we can go into each of those a little deeper. I think PEMF is a little more well known, but I still do want to go even deeper into what differentiates Um, and then also go deeper into CBAC because I do think that’s something that’s still a lot of people haven’t heard of and really the depth in that, but I think what I want to just kind of reiterate and reflect back is it sounds like.

The best option for anyone who’s new to Ascent is to start with booking the InBody 970 scan, and then a consult with you to go over that report. 100%. Yeah, that’s, I mean, you know, you can come in and say what your goals are, and we can definitely suggest, but to really see [00:33:00] it. And, you know, I’m someone that likes to constantly get better and quantify things.

So for me to be able to, over, you know, the months. And years see myself reverse aging. Like that’s super exciting to me. And most of our clients that are coming in, they love that quantification. So definitely the place to start with. But, um, so PEMF, it’s funny, the first PEMF device that we brought in, um, in 2016, it’s actually the only one that’s classified a class two medical device.

And it only uses PEMF as the conduit of its. patented signal that’s been proven to increase blood flow and oxygen levels by 30%. So it’s something I use every day. In fact, if we have time later, I think it’s fun to kind of go through what a regimen looks like for me each day because it’s so fun. But, um, that’s what I start my day off.

Like I have that at home. 95 percent of our clients have, have that specific PEMF at home and I brought it in because it’s the only company that proves what it’s doing as far as PEMF. [00:34:00] So just real quick, PEMF has been proven to affect the cells, the cellular membrane. When you’re exposed to that magnetic field, it actually allows our cells to repel, which is super important because when cells start clumping on each other, blood flow slows down.

That’s when waste and toxins get. stuck inside the cells and unless they are separated, it’s going to be pretty hard for them to release those wastes and toxins. Um, and so the, the lower power PMF was really helpful. And for years I was just like, why do I need a high powered PMF if I have this? This is working amazing.

You know, people don’t necessarily feel it when they’re on it because you don’t feel your blood flow going through your capillaries and you don’t know how many times the capillaries are doing a vasomotion, you know, constriction or dilation. Like you just don’t feel that. Um, but it works a hundred percent of the time because it’s been proven.

And then I was approached. I mean, at this point we are approached by a lot of manufacturers to have things in house. So it’s always fun when people come and do demos and. You don’t have to [00:35:00] research as much anymore. The research comes to you and then you get to look into it. So, um, gosh, it was five years ago.

This, this particular high powered PMF, they didn’t have the zero gravity chair at the time, but, um, their configuration, I didn’t love the way it looked like aesthetically. I’m super into aesthetics as far as like, when you walk through these doors, you’ll see, we have a certain feel about us and a certain energy.

Um, and I just didn’t love the way it looked and the person who was administering it. Just really didn’t know how to articulate what it was doing. And you know, the more the mentality of higher is better. And so he’d crank it up until like you were jolted pretty much. And I didn’t love that they were gracious enough to leave it with us for a couple of months, believe it or not.

And so I felt obligated obviously to try it with clients and stuff, but the way I was taught was crank it up and, you know, and, and some of our athletes like that, but for the majority. Our clients preferred the lower powered PMF at the [00:36:00] time. So I told them I’m not interested. And then, uh, this last year, maybe a year, year and a half ago, a year, um, that same company, but a different salesperson who I had known, uh, for another technology approached me and said, Hey, I’m with them now.

You know, I really would love PMF devices because it’s so powerful. And I’m just like, I’ve been down that road. I don’t want to. And he’s like, We have a new zero gravity coming out and I was like, okay, I need high powered PMF because we’re dealing with a lot of people with broken bones and that is going to work faster than our lower powered PMF.

So I knew for acute issues, I wanted to get a high powered PMF. And so we actually had three different companies come in in addition to them. Um, and they demoed it for clients and everyone could feel the high powered PMF. Like it’s like you almost. I wouldn’t say convulsed because that’s not a great word, but maybe literally you can feel it like just move.

[00:37:00] Um, and they felt that with the first two, but they didn’t really know if they felt a benefit or result from it. And then these guys came in with two units. We tested 12 people in a day. One of those people being my husband who does not feel anything, he says nothing ever works on him. He’s like that guy.

He’s a caveman, a total caveman and his parents who they are not from this realm at all. I mean, it’s like old school, go to the doctor. So they were there and then we had, you know, about nine of our clients. Every single person felt it in a different area. Like I was saying, so the innate body knew where it needed it.

And then they all said they had improvement depending on what we were exposing it to. And so to me, I’m like, that’s powerful. We’re going to get one. I definitely want the zero gravity lounger because just, it looks great and it feels good laying on it. And since we’ve had it, I mean, we are seeing incredible results with people.

[00:38:00] So. It’s a it’s definitely a great addition. Um, timing is everything. So, you know, there was a reason I didn’t get it before. But yeah, I love it now. And, um, by by exposing someone to PMF. So you think you’ve heard of grounding and the earth’s magnetic field and why it might be be, you know, important or, uh, to walk barefoot, right?

We probably should be doing that more than we do, but because of being inside and offices and cars and we’re wearing shoes with rubber on the soles, we’re just not getting that magnetic field. And so when you expose yourself to PEMF, Pulsed Electromagnetic Field Therapy, it’s basically, sending that signal in to allow the cells to separate.

So now any supplement that you’re taking, anything you’re taking is actually probably getting into the cells at a cellular level. And the bad stuff that’s supposed to get out is getting out. And then when you’re exposing yourself to other technologies that are working at the cellular level, [00:39:00] but just in a different realm, they’re going to, it’s going to happen so much faster.

My relationship with coffee has changed. so much over the years. I went from waking up first thing in the morning, drinking multiple cups of coffee on an empty stomach to now approaching it with so much more intentionality, especially when I started realizing just how much it was affecting my nervous system, which is why I’m.

so careful and intentional about when, how, and what kind of coffee I consume. Lately, I’ve been getting back into having a morning coffee, but after I first have my warm lemon tea, usually I’ll even wait until after I’ve had breakfast to then have that first cup of coffee. And I’ve been loving putting raw honey, raw butter.

And half and half in it. I know it sounds so decadent and it is absolutely amazing and something I look forward to every morning recently. But when I’m drinking coffee, [00:40:00] I want to make sure that, first of all, it’s free of molds. Because there was a study done that 90 percent of coffee has mold and mycotoxins.

And this is why I love Four Sigmatic so much, because they’re third party tested for molds, mycotoxins, bacteria, heavy metals. What I also love though is they have a number of different coffees available that are either ground or whole bean I’m a bit of a snob so I love to buy the whole bean coffees But it’s so neat because they have their focus coffee blend that has extra adaptogens to help support brain health They have their gut health coffee blend that I’m really excited to Start using because it has probiotics, prebiotics, turkey tail, and chaga mushrooms that have been added to it.

They have their calm decaf coffee blend that has really calming adaptogens like reishi and chaga and a number of other different blends. That can [00:41:00] really support you in the best way possible. But these coffees are so intentionally created to provide clean, sustained energy without any crashes, without giving you the jitters, which is something I really started experiencing maybe a year or so ago.

And which is why I’ve become so, so intentional about the kind of coffee I drink and when I drink it. If you click the link in the show notes, you will automatically receive 20 percent off your first order. A lot of people have PEMF at home now. I have a higher dose infrared PEMF mat that I love. I use it every day.

It’s very soothing for me, but I do think it’s worth spending a sec to talk about what is the difference between an at home PEMF mat that someone might have versus the Beamer versus the high, what did you call it? High dose PEMF? High powered PEMF. High powered PEMF. EMF. Um, maybe if we could just even differentiate a little bit more, cause I do already, I hear, you know, listeners thinking, well, I have a penthamide at home, so I don’t need to do that there.

[00:42:00] Or I have a beamer at home, so I don’t need to do the high dose high power. Yeah, no, no, that’s perfect. So yeah, I mean, Here’s the thing, there are hundreds of PEMF devices. So again, just to reiterate, PEMF stands for Pulsed Electromagnetic Field Therapy. Some people refer to it as PEMF, some people refer to it as PEMF.

Um, what it is, basically there’s hundreds of them. So when your body is exposed to that, that pulsed electromagnetic field, Your cells are being able to separate. Okay. So that is the commonality in every single PEMF device Um just in layman’s terms real easy, you know, it’s also helping with um, The voltage they say, um has an effect on the cellular permeability as well that cellular integrity the phase angle Um, so that’s the commonality the reason we actually in house to have our low powered P.

M. F. As the beamer. Beamer is another acronym. It [00:43:00] stands for bioelectromagnetic energy regulation. It is the only P. M. F. That’s classified a class two medical device, and it basically uses P. M. F. As the conduit. So the transfer of its patented signal. It’s a multidimensional wave form that actually, um, creates more vasomotion, basically.

So we can go down that deep dive, but it’s, it’s, you have, um, the majority of your circulatory system is capillaries, about three quarters of your circulatory system. They’re the teeny vessels that go through every tissue, every muscle, every organ. And they, are so expansive. Like o if you were to take and s it almost goes around the times.

It’s like 75, 000 m that our heart is pumping The heart is pumping blood through veins and arteries, the large vessels, the vessels that make up 26 percent of your [00:44:00] circulatory system. So the majority, the capillaries that’s going through every tissue, every muscle, every organ, they actually have their own way to pump blood through.

It’s called vasomotion. It’s the constriction and dilation of the capillary wall. When someone is in their prime, an elite athlete, they probably have four to six of those pum when someone has a diagno or if they’re super elder have one pump in four min does that no other device that instance. Okay. And it’s increasing the oxyge It’s a no brainer.

It’s why 95 percent of our clients have it. We customize the box for them. Um, I think it’s a huge component to longevity because blood flow slows down as we age. And this just keeps things at the optimal level. Now, the high powered PEM apps. Um, and again, there’s tons of different low power PMFs. When you’re laying on your mat at home, do you feel anything?

That’s probably a low powered PMF, [00:45:00] right? And you’re getting the benefit of your cells separating. So there is benefit to it. A hundred percent. It’s just probably not increasing the blood flow, like something like Beamer, because Beamer is the only technology that has studies specific to its signal. Well, those signals are patented.

So they can’t be duplicated. Even NASA tried to duplicate them and they couldn’t because of the patents. Um, the high powered PMF, it’s just, it’s genuinely a higher power. You know, there’s all different wave forms of PMF. You’ll hear square wave and sine wave and all of those. Um, there’s, there’s so much that you can go down on the deep dive.

I, the reason I chose the high power PMF that we have is, was the experience. What I saw with my clients. Um, you know, I don’t even know what type of wave it is. I just know it’s PMF, Pulse Electromagnetic Field, and you feel it in different parts of your body. I also love the support I get from the company, specifically, um, I don’t think you can really go [00:46:00] wrong.

The times you can go wrong on technology is when you’re buying something from China or on Amazon, doesn’t have any studies behind it. A lot of times these things are made with toxic materials. They have high EMF exposure. exposure. That’s where you have to be careful. All different levels, like when it comes to red light, when it comes to PMF, when it comes to sound, when it comes to vibration, there’s all different technologies, really it, the manufacturer needs to take the responsibility.

And I guess that’s like my job where it comes in, where I’m like, okay, as far as the efficacy, these are the science, this is the study based on this. And that’s why I chose that. I won’t bring in anything in here that doesn’t have science. Behind it, backing it up because it’s my obligation to our clients not to have snake oil.

There’s so many little technologies that you can get for a couple hundred dollars. Like red light. I just got a red light for 40. Okay. What wavelengths of light is it actually admitting and you know, you could, you can damage your skin also. I mean, red light is supposed to increase collagen, even [00:47:00] skin tone, all of that stuff.

Staff, but it’s very specific to specific wavelengths that are being emitted and the materials that are used. And so that’s one thing that you can trust with us. We have vetted it. I mean, I, I pity the, the salesperson that comes in and tries to start like. Selling their technology to us. If they don’t know the answers to these questions, it’s just a no go.

Or if they tell me that’s proprietary, we’re not going to share that. Well, that’s a red flag. Like you shouldn’t be able to share what, you know, wavelengths are being emitted from your device. So that’s one thing that I really take great pride in vetting. So, you know, if you’re purchasing through us. It’s already vetted and then we stand behind everything as well.

We also offer that hands on training and support afterwards. A lot of times when you’re buying something online or from someone you don’t know, you don’t have the support afterwards. And if something goes wrong or you say you get injured and there’s a different protocol, who are you going to go to? So we’re, we’re, we really take that serious here.

Yeah. And then last, last question. The same one I asked with [00:48:00] CVAC is same thing. Minimum. minimum, you know, frequency that someone would want to do P. M. F. If they were to come in and do it here. Um, P. M. F. You know, the beamer. Ideally, you’re having that at home because you’re using it twice a day for eight minutes.

So, uh, beamer exposure is going to increase your blood flow and oxygen levels, um, to those optimal levels for 12 to 16 hours. So if you’re doing it twice a day of optimal blood flow, for 24 seven, right? Um, whereas the higher powered PMF, it’s kind of just, um, like working out, you know, how often are you supposed to work out?

That’s, that’s really what they say. So the majority of our clients will come here, you know, twice a week and do it. Ideally. I mean, I do it. Like three to four times a week, just like working out, you know, just like I do my contrast therapy at home with my, my sauna and my cold plunge. Like, you know, there’s three to four times a week is kind of where the magic happens, but most people can’t get to a place three or four times a week or, and there’s [00:49:00] benefit as you’re being exposed to it, even once a week, you’re benefiting those cells to such a level that your body’s mechanisms of regulating and being able to heal, start kicking in.

And the more you’re doing that. The faster that’s going to happen. And if it’s only once a week, that’s fine. It’s just going to take a little bit longer. Same thing with CVAC. Yeah. We want you to get six 20 minute sessions in a week. That might not be feasible for everyone. And so if you just come once a week and do two, it’s a buildup.

So it’s not like you start over each time you come, you’re constantly building up and becoming stronger. The more you get, the faster it happens, but you know, it’s still going to happen. Even if you come for an hour, once a week, it’s just going to take twice as long. Yeah. And how long is the, the zero gravity chair?

How long is a session? Um, well you can get benefit off of five minutes. Um, you can be on that thing for an hour and a half. We do a 30 minute session. That’s where most people, and we actually customize it. So we do different, um, like frequency as far as the Hertz go and the intensity. [00:50:00] And we customize it for each specific person where we’ll start at a certain level, move up to this level, as far as frequency.

We love the Schumann resonance, which is a frequency that’s emitted from the earth. So we actually focus on that for the majority of it. And then instead of just like cranking it up, you know, we will actually bring it down, uh, to a certain level to get someone into a parasympathetic. So they’re not leaving here overstimulated.

They’re leaving here calm and continuing to, to, um, heal when they’re gone. Because that’s what I love too. People are like, Oh, I got that, that exposure. I feel so good. Well, guess what? You’re going to continue to get benefit this evening. You’re going to wake up and continue and get benefits. So, you know, it’s, it’s not just as you’re getting the exposure because your body’s mechanisms are firing on all cylinders and there’s things happening on that cellular level.

So you think of CVAC. So I will expose people to PMF initially, just to make sure those cells are separated. And then CVAC, um, is, [00:51:00] Like really, as far as working at the cellular level, it does so much. It’s inducing mitochondrial biogenesis. So it’s making more mitochondria. Mitochondria are the batteries to our cells without the energy they produce.

We can’t heal. I mean, we can’t digest food. Like every single process our body goes through needs healthy mitochondria to produce ATP. And so the CBAC pods actually doing that. But by exposing yourself to the PMF first, it’s making that all happen a lot faster. CVAC is very piezoelectric, so it’s almost simulating the same things on a cellular level that intense exercise would do without having to work out intensely at the cellular level.

So it’s not going to make you, you know, build huge muscles, right? But on the cellular level, as far as increasing blood flow, oxygen levels, when people look at CVAC, they think it’s a hyperbaric chamber. It’s next generation hyperbaric, in my opinion. I mean, because at this point we can have hyperbaric at a [00:52:00] cent 100%, but I don’t think it’s necessary with what I’ve seen CVAC do so hyperbaric.

Obviously, it’s been around for a long time. I’m not putting it down. It has its place. You know, when you expose yourself to hyperbaric therapy, when you have a severe burn or a wound that won’t heal, there is definitely benefit to it. You know, there’s some stroke applications that there’s benefit to. Um, but on a physiological level, on a human optimization level, I just think CVAC is so much superior because hyperbaric, your body, again, is so smart.

If you’re sitting inside a hyperbaric chamber, you’re being flooded with that outsourced oxygen, right? And so your body starts absorbing it. Well, in time, if you’re doing it a long time, your body’s like, I’m getting oxygen from somewhere else. I don’t need to produce red blood cells ’cause I’m gonna be sitting in this chamber and getting oxygen.

And so your body actually becomes a little bit lazy. Um, and so, oh wow. What CVAC does, is it because it’s, it’s hypobaric, not hyperbaric. Um, it’s [00:53:00] a low pressure environment, whereas Hyperbarics high, pressured hyperbaric also isn’t, it’s very static. So basically it takes you to a certain atmosphere, leaves you there, and then they have to bring you back to the atmosphere.

Sphere before you get out, takes like about five to 10 minutes to actually do that CVAs dynamic. The whole time you’re in a CVC session. So like a 20 minute session, you might, um, experience 300 to 500 different pressure changes within that time. It’s going up and down well in that component. Like if you take, uh, empty plastic water bottle in the cvac pod with you, with the lid on and you turn the CVAC on, you’re gonna see that water bottle.

Expand and contract with each pressure change that’s happening to every single cell in your body. So as far as working out the cells on that level, there’s nothing that I know of that does it as effectively as cvac, and then it works so synergistically with your lymphatic system. Hmm. Help dispose of those waste and toxins.

So you know, when [00:54:00] someone first starts using CAC, this might be a little TMI, but I think it’s an important part of the process. , they’re using the rest. room, like right after they get out, they usually notice it smells way different because it’s immediately starting to detox. Sometimes when people have like heavy metal overloads, um, they can actually taste metal in their mouth and that’s how fast it’s happening.

And then it’s helping to activate that lymphatic system obviously to get it out. The body has the lymphatic system to kind of clean house. Well, the brain has its own lymphatic system called the glymphatic system. And CVAC actually activates that. It’s typically a system that’s only activated during sleep.

An hour’s worth of CVAC is equivalent to about four to five hours of restorative sleep in that capacity. And so when we’re dealing with people with different neurological diagnoses, I know that’s one component that is, it’s playing a huge role in that. And then again, that increasing in red blood cells, because with CVAC, it’s simulating altitude.

So there’s nothing [00:55:00] chemical, nothing artificial. It’s filtered fresh air and then a vacuum is pulling it out, pulling oxygen molecules out. Right. And so that’s simulating the altitude. The highest CVAC will go for. Uh, commercial use is 22, 500 feet. That’s higher than base camp of Mount Everest. Okay. To put it in perspective with you.

Well, there’s a lot less, uh, oxygen molecules in that high altitude. And so your body innately knows I need to produce more red blood cells. So I believe you’re, um. Kidneys release a certain protein that tells your bone marrow produce red blood cells. And that’s what’s happening within the CVAC. And so because it’s nothing chemical or artificial, you know, um, it’s not going to take your red blood cell production higher than what your body would naturally do at optimal levels.

So I want to be clear on that because again, this is all just. you know, natural filtered air and vacuums that it’s using. So it will take you like our professional athletes love the [00:56:00] fact that it is a legal, so not illegal, but a legal form of blood doping. But it’s not, I mean, it’s more effective because it’s just the body producing what it needs to.

So you got your increase in red blood cells. You have your mitochondrial biogenesis, uh, making more mitochondria. And then they’ve done some small studies on. stem cells, which as we know, it’s all about regeneration. People who use 16 times greater endogenous stem cell production. So if you put two and two together, you know, we work with a lot of professional athletes that are getting stem cell treatments in conjunction with CVAC, it’s like next level.

Um, and it’s just, I, anything we bring in here, Leigh Ann, I don’t. The body is such the miracle like I don’t want to impose on that, right? Because we’re in us. We’re not trying to recreate that wheel. I also don’t want to give it something that it would naturally produce sometimes unless it’s necessary, but there’s obviously.

Parts where it’s necessary, but sometimes when you [00:57:00] give the body something it starts stops producing it naturally and then you’re hooked on to the rest of your life So I’m really careful when we’re bringing things in just to make sure it’s basically Initiating the mechanisms that we were already created to do but that you tend to You know deplete as we age.

So it’s basically just kind of reactivating What we we already have within us to be able to do Yeah, it’s so funny because you know, I, I did a bunch of CVAC after my most recent concussion and it was so helpful in helping me recover so much faster, but there’s a couple things I want to point out with that.

First of all, even as you’re saying all of this, I’m like, Oh my God, yes, I need to get back in the CVAC pods. I forget how beneficial it is and how all encompassing it is. And I think to your point, when it’s working at that cellular level. It’s literally going to have positive benefit on everything. Now, maybe legally we can’t claim that and put that on the [00:58:00] marketing page or whatever, but if your cells are working better, they can do everything they need to do better.

Exactly. So that’s huge. Um, the second part I wanted to go into there is I think I’d love to understand, I know, but for the audience, what is. First of all, any contraindications, anyone that this isn’t for or couldn’t do CVAC for any reason. And then that general, I know this is nuanced and when they have a consult with you, you kind of create, Hey, here’s where we think we need to start with this.

But just so that someone who’s listening and is maybe interested can wrap their head around, Okay, if I’m interested and I want to do this. Here’s like the minimum amount I would need to commit to in the beginning. Yeah. Um, so contraindication wise, it’s, uh, more short term stuff because this is, um, not employing anything chemical or artificial or anything, but the pressure changes.

could cause pain if you have, say, like a cold, flu, sinus infection, [00:59:00] a tooth infection, anything that’s tied to the sinuses, um, short term, you definitely want to wait until that passes to do CVAC because when you can’t breathe through your nose, say, well, that’s going to prevent you from being able to equalize your ears.

And that is not a comfortable feeling because the pressure will try to escape. it usually gets stuck in being super stubborn. Um, time, I’m like, I just wa CVAC pod and flush it out an ice pit going through out my eye. Like it was s pain. And so we always ar in regards to do not get breathe through your nose starts to pass, you’re st You can breathe.

Um, the CBAC is super effective on the very, very low sessions to flush it out because the lower a CBAC session is, the more pressure changes you have. So it creates more flushing. Um, and then the, the other things like hyperbaric exposure, you need to wait 24 hours to get into the CBAC pod. [01:00:00] Whereas you can go directly from CBAC to hyperbaric.

Same day, but if you’re going to get hyperbaric exposure, you do have to wait 24 hours, um, to get in. And then with any technology, I mean, they always say pregnancy because of course they’re not going to test on a, a pregnant, uh, human, um, it’s, it’s, uh, you know, if it were me. And I was pregnant, I would get in the CVAC pod.

In fact, I’ve had a handful of friends that do, but that is something that every single manufacturer is going to always put on. Um, a lot of times they do that with cancer too, right? Um, just, just to cover themselves. But all of these modalities that are working at the cellular level, you know, it’s, it’s, They’re pretty safe for everyone.

I mean, some of the PMF devices and the biocharger when, um, someone has an electric pump or a pacemaker, something that is electric in them, that could be a problem with the biocharger. If they have a mesh, a metal mesh on their, uh, in their skull, because it’s so close to the brain, that’s a [01:01:00] problem. So we are very clear on all of our waivers, what the contraindications would be, but for the most part, part.

I mean, CBAC, there’s really not a contraindication unless, um, unless the doctor’s told you, you can’t fly commercial airlines. So that’s like the, really the only one I’ve only seen that two times in 15 years. And it was when people were having vascular, um, procedures, they just needed to wait until that passed.

And the second, the doctor said, you’re clear for airline travel. They can get it. Yeah. Okay. I love it. And then that, that minimum frequency where it’s like, I know, I know it’s so specific to, you know, what you might recommend for a client experiencing ALS versus someone just coming in for longevity is going to be very different, but that minimum where it’s like, Hey, if you’re going to do it, you really don’t want to do it less than this.

Yeah. So, um, CVAC is a buildup of that, right? So you sitting inside the CVAC pod one time, It’s not going to do much. Yeah, it might flush out initially some things. You might smell different, you [01:02:00] know, smells when you’re eliminating. Um, but overall it’s not going to put any type of diagnosis and remission.

I’ll tell you that same thing with the sports performance, doing one CVAC session. Yeah, it might help flush out some lactic acid and, you know, for recovery, but it’s th as it accumulates that th to happen. So most of the been done with CVAC and t small studies, but it’s b CVAC sessions in one week of our clients are coming sitting in the pod for an hour.

So they’re doing three, 20 minutes, uh, CVAC sessions twice per week. And I would say that’s like 95 percent of people when they start, you know, we have people that are coming from all over the world at this point. And so they don’t have a CVAC by them. I mean, what I said when we first started, like there was less than 20 in the world and there was only a handful open to the public today.

It hasn’t changed that much. There’s [01:03:00] still like. 70 in the entire world and probably only like 26 or 27 open to the public. Wow. Crazy. We have three at our facility and I feel so blessed, um, to have that. And honestly, we could probably do with four at this point because it is our most popular modality. I think I attribute that to, because it’s what we started with.

It’s. What I feel, you know, everything else is kind of complimenting, um, but we’re also the, I would say the only facility that knows how to use it the way we know how to use it because of our experience. And so that, you know, when cobit hit, and we didn’t really touch on this, but, um, in 2020, we were coming off our best year 2019.

I was actually not, uh, Spending my savings to, to pay for actually starting to recoup a little bit. And I thought, Oh my gosh, 2020 is going to be amazing. And then what happened? The world completely shut down and it was actually another gift from God because what it, um, [01:04:00] allowed me to do was pivot and think, okay, wait a minute.

We have our center, you know, we can help hundreds of people. You know, we might even be able to help a thousand people. Right. But is that enough? Like I want to be able to help billions of people. The only way I’m going to be able to do that is through the knowledge that I’ve gained over the last 15 years.

And so my main role at this point, I have the most incredible team running the floor. They’re all highly trained, caring people. I’m not on the floor anymore. I am doing consultations and distribute distribution of all the technologies. So I’m a distributor of every single modality that we have. But then I also, because of the mistakes that I made early on and because of what I’ve learned, I’m able to pass that on to other like minded individuals that want to open up a center to help people.

And right now I’m working, I think like five or six people as a consultant. And it’s so awesome because we’re all doing something different. It’s a different model. They think they know what they want as far as, okay, these technologies. And then I [01:05:00] come in and say, this is really, what’s going to be your fastest return on investment.

This is what’s going to be most effective for your clients. So you’re going to gain that trust because this works and we kind of change things and then go into business model. And that’s where my passion is like the education part of it, the sharing. And, you know, I just believe in so many of these technologies so much, and there’s a certain order.

I mean, you’ll see a lot of these tech, uh, Companies or centers opening up. They’re getting everything. I mean, they might go on to our website and go, okay, we’re just going to mirror that. They don’t know the order to use things. In fact, there are some facilities that you can actually cause some harm. You can cause a major Herxheimer’s reaction.

Um, there’s, there’s a way and a method to do things. And so that’s where I feel so grateful to be able to come in and share that. And that’s the way that I think millions and billions of people are going to be helped someday. Yeah, I think you’re making me think of, I knew were there the, um, the sound bath I hosted for my clients at the end of the year, where I said, there’s [01:06:00] a difference between learning and discovery.

And we all, as practitioners, I’m in my PhD, there’s a lot of learning that’s happening through textbooks, through manuals, through books, reading courses, et cetera. The discovery that happens when you are in the field with clients every day one on one that cannot be replicated by any book and I think that is part of really like such magic that you bring to this and why I would I would really recommend my two cents would be even if someone’s working with a doctor and has a bunch of scans and tests they’ve done to still book and embody in a consult with you because You It’s not just, yeah, we have this technology here.

Jump in. It’s you have seen so many clients over the years that there’s such a deeper insight you can provide into, okay, this is what’s going on for you and you’re experiencing this and you’re experiencing that. Okay. Another CVAC tech might just recommend whatever the standard protocol is. We’re going [01:07:00] to be able to really, really make it custom because of that discovery and experience we have.

Yeah. And that’s, I mean, why I’m so grateful, you know, to, to go through those years of, you know, the unknown and, you know, the, the sacrifice, um, it just, I am so grateful that happens just, and also to, you know, it’s, it’s so neat because you believe this too, like we attract what we’re giving out, right. And so we all have a certain frequency and vibration that we’re giving out.

And, you know, there can be a center that has every single thing that we have here. But they are running on a different frequency and vibration. So they’re going to attract those people, which is awesome. And like, everyone’s always, aren’t you afraid? Like there’s so many of these opening up. Not at all, because we are attracting who we’re supposed to.

And then, then also the practitioners like you and. Danielle and Natalie and Mariana and Michael’s coming in. I don’t even know if I talked to you about that yet. Um, we’re attracting these heart centered, [01:08:00] like minded people, and it’s basically going to be a one stop shop of whole body, you know, uh, the, the emotional component of it, the, the neurological component of it.

Um, just. We’re in such a great space and there is no one I’d rather do it with than the team that we have. Yeah. Oh my gosh. It’s such a gift. It’s such a joy to be here. Um, and I’m so grateful that you and Danielle kept asking me because my little introverted heart was like, Oh, but my little private office down at Dana Point, dah, dah, dah.

And, um, you guys kept on me. And I think same thing, kind of the pieces in my life finally aligned. As well where this, this was a move that once it came was so organic and easeful and meant to be. So I’m so, so grateful to be here as [01:09:00] well.